LK130 - Ottomans, Monarchy, Balanced Map

[lukep]

Totally uneventfulll turnset

missionary,buildings, troops

Whole world but Isabella is confused. In our lands, 5 cities lack taoism, but the
other 3 national religions are everywhere.

IBT:
nice setup all is well;
Ragnar has a big stash of cash, but i would rather not help going further ahead.
will continue build-up for war as we probably are better to go Fred and Isabella in short succession
Ankara start miss duties

1718
Brennus start a GA

1736
sign OB with isabella for recon and have access to last german city

1378
ghandi accept OB (spread conf)

1740
Ragnar make peace with Isabella

1742
Brennus beat us to Pentagon

1750
Electricity in, start Broadway in Istambul

Notes : I didnt built coal plant in some cities
for health reasons. we should go for the DAM as soon as possible

AK can imho delare on Fred on first turn and follow with Isabella

 

[LKendter]

AK can IMHO declare on Fred on first turn and follow with Isabella

I definitely agree on declaring war on Frederick and taking him down. This adds very little to the length of our borders.
After that we really need to look again BEFORE committing to another war after Germany. Brennus is still strong, and we know we need to take him out to get domination. The question is when will be have the edge to do so.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

I have it. play tomorrow.

I still don't want to leave the big B as it may be the key to snag the Pentagon.

What the heck is the big B?

beeline for plastics after radio?

 

[LKendter]

What the heck is the big B?

Bureaucracy

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

found some time tonight, played seven. Finish tomorrow.

Preflight: suggest we go for flight when radio is done. Mark a spot for a city.
Don't see any reason to wait, so declare on Freddy.

1752: turn off growth manually in Kwa. Take Durnovia, no losses.
1754: bombarding Munich
1756: burn 3 cannon to take Frankfort. Take Munich.
Gandhi demands we cancel deals with Ragnar. dude go get ahead of your followers. Brenny demands we cancel deals with Bella. Weigh it and then decide I'd rather have Brenny happier with us.
1758: raze Hanover. Burn 3 more cannon taking Kushans.
1760: setting up for Essen and Dortmund.
1762: Burn 3 more cannon and take Dortmund.
1764: Burn yet 3 more cannon taking Essen.

Pause for a team decision. capitulate Freddy? Libyan is his only city. I'm leaning towards not so that Brenny doesn't fear our vassal.

will finish tomorrow. A suggestion for the spanish conquest.

GF should be good to go against the spanish by the end of my set barring diplomatic suprises. I've been siphoning off troops to the indian frontier; Both gandhi and brenny have huge armies.

please forgive the lack of rails in the newly conquered german lands. i forgot to wake the workers until just now.

only tech problem is ragnar is up artillery. having said that, we're up about 4 other techs on him so we could trade for artillery or bribe him into a war.

Think flight is a no brainer for the next tech with our production. We should easily be able to have 30 bombers up by the time we're ready to hit Brenny or Gandhi. Thoughts?

Bureaucracy

whew, i was worried Bede was somehow involved thanks for the answer.

 

[GreyFox]

I wouldn't accept capitulation ... best course of action is to declare on Izzy and finish both Freddie and Spain in one shot. I presume we have the 4 stony presidents in Lee's turnset, so stretching the German Campaign into a Spanish Campaign shouldn't be a big WW problem.

I think once we hit tanks and bombers, we should be ready to take on our western neighbors.

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[LKendter]

Since AK already played some moves, the only comments worth making are about the general situation.

We are heading into the late game where WW is horrid. What hurts the worst is losing a city. That last thing we need is a longer front vs. Brennus.
Outside of territory do we gain anything useful from taking out Spain? I can't spot it, but I am open to the team showing me something I missed.

I would prefer to SKIP a war with Spain, and build up for the big battle with Brennus.


Roster
LKendter (vacation 5/25 to 5/28)
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov (currently playing) - and already got it.
GreyFox (on deck)

Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: domination.

Planned wars - round 2 in Germany.


Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - Berlin
Wall Street - Unum
Oxford - Konya
Forbidden Palace - Nobamba
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works - Bula

 

[GreyFox]

Depending on whether you want to go conquest or domination. If conquest, I agree on not attacking Spain first but to hit on the strongest first. If domination, the fastest way is to hit on the weaker. Someone should check our current land domination ... whether we have to take out Brennus or Spain would be enough. I suspect Spain + a couple of cities in India and Celtics would be enough to push us over the limit. EDIT: In that note, having a longer front also meant that we have more cities to choose to attack, so we could quickly take some lightly-defended cities and push us over the domination limit faster.

Re WW: Once we reach bombers, arties and tanks, we could relax our research and the cultural slider would be the answer to WW. Plus culture would also help us gain cultural border faster. With Rushmore, WW isn't that horrible.

Guess my point is that it will be an earlier Domination win to (a) take out Spain now while researching the required tech to hit Brennus (we just need a few cities to win) than to (b) wait until we get the techs and try to wobble up the entire Celtics and India then.

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[lukep]

i had dealed OB with spain to have access to Lybian. We need to finish Freddy, capitulation is not an option or we will be hitted hardly by the "Motherland" .

For Domination i suspect that with Bella+Ragnar we are very near the dom limit. Cant say if it is enough.

 

[GreyFox]

AFAICT from AK's (partial) report, he agreed to Brennus' plead that we cancel dealing with Izzy. So no more OB. Either you build ships, or you wait until Izzy is willing to talk (and hopefully willing to re-open border), or you take her out in the process of eliminating Freddie.

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[LKendter]

AFAICT from AK's (partial) report, he agreed to Brennus' plead that we cancel dealing with Izzy. So no more OB.

I just checked and you are right.
Our path is now forced, and we have to declare war on Spain.

This game is giving me a headache. The longer my borders are the more problems I have with screwing up and missing an AI unit stack somewhere. The game is becoming a logistical nightmare for me.

 

[lukep]

the longer our borders, the more bombers we need.
When times for fighting Brennus come, cutting his roads will be hugely important

With our production advantage, we can easily outproduce Brennus. We just have to not declare before ready

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

No major events. We didn't seem to have a consensus, so I let the war drag on. There are two decent SoD's in place for Bella.

What happens if we cease fire Freddy? Does he vassalize to someone?

Gandhi has a big stack of troops.

We have 48% of pop and I forgot to write down the land, but it is also around 44%.

Radio comes in, start flight (no beakers invested so feel free to change)

I killed a counter attack from Freddie consisting of knights and trebs, 4 each. He's gassed.

Started Mr. Eiffel's tower in Umum. Feel free to change. Again it was on the last turn. Broadway finishes in Istanbul next turn, thinking start Hollywood.

I have a feeling that maybe we can start the war with Bella now and win. I will probably shadow GF to see how an immediate declaration on Bella comes out.

In hindsight, shoulda kept the open border with Bella and accepted the -1 with Brenny. speaking of Brenny, we're up electricity.

We have a few happy and health issues, but nothing major. I didn't mess with the culture slider.

I didn't work on any deals, but we can probably bribe Ragnar or Gandhi into doing whatever we want as far as a war. My brain exploded after considering the permutations of that, so I'll turn it over to GF to clean up after me (again).

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/11866/LK130_AD-1770.CivWarlordsSave

p.s. Brenny's main strength is not on our borders. IMHO, we'll need at least 30 bombers to take him. 3 stacks of 10.

Also built a minimal navy to protect the sea resources. i.e. we have a destroyer with another on the way.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Our path is now forced, and we have to declare war on Spain.

Sorry for the double post. agree I messed up. see above. however, I keep looking at this and keeping asking myself about the diplomatic situation if we get gandhi and ragnar at war while building flight. Brenny's forces go west, we build up and then hit Brenny like your original plan. Or in the interim take out Bella and Freddy.

 

[GreyFox]

Gandhi is still a vassal of Brenny, right? Vassal states cannot declare war. So you'll have to bribe Brenny, not Gandhi.

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[Admiral Kutzov]

Gandhi is still a vassal of Brenny, right? Vassal states cannot declare war. So you'll have to bribe Brenny, not Gandhi.

that hit me after I posted, but was too lazy to go back.

Bribe Ragnar into war with Gandhi? We may be able to funnel enough tech to him to get him to actually do it. That draws down both Brenny and Gandhi, but the danger is Ragnar is an idiot and loses too quickly.

i didn't play with what we could bribe Brennus into. GF, you might want to see what's up with that.

just to beat a dead horse, we've got the pop for a dom win, but need more land. Should we backfill a few cities? then we'd have to defend them.

With our production advantage, we can easily outproduce Brennus. We just have to not declare before ready

agreed, the tricky thing is the mix of forces.

I probably skimped on the missionaries too much (again).

 

[LKendter]

New Updates
Looking at the game my big question is why is the culture slider at zero%. 7 of our core cities have annoyed people. Even after Broadway is built we will have miserable people.
IMHO Istanbul should start Rock and Roll immediately after Broadway. With lots of war planned, we need all the happy heal we can get.

GF will get to start our next GA.

Don't forget Ankara can build ships. We don't have a lot of spare room in health resources, and I would hate to have our seafood pillaged.


Roster
LKendter (on deck?) (vacation 5/25 to 5/28)
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov
GreyFox (currently playing)

Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: domination.

Planned wars - round 2 in Germany.


Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - Berlin
Wall Street - Unum
Oxford - Konya
Forbidden Palace - Nobamba
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works - Bula

 

[GreyFox]

Do the team have consensus in continuing our rampage to Spainish soil?

Don't worry, Lee, I will play tonight ... you have ample time for one more turn before vacation.

 

[LKendter]

Do the team have consensus in continuing our rampage to Spainish soil?

I was the most against it, I changed my mind to yes. Of course, this wasn't "voluntary".

I would say the go ahead is given.

 

[lukep]

i agree too.

i would start reinforcing our border cities in the same time.
Especially the 2 production ones