LK130 - Ottomans, Monarchy, Balanced Map

[GreyFox]

Pre-turn:

Adjusted some cities' specialist, basically change citizen to engineer

Changed pop distribution of Ulundi ... it is a GP-Farm, so it should only work on tiles with 2 or more food. Managed to cut the GP birth turns, and we got Imhotep:

Since it is a "rare" Great Engineer, I did not trigger golden age in case someone has a world wonder in mind (3GD?).

Back to pre-turn, I extorted all the gold from Lizzy and then declared:

and immediately auto-razed the size-1 city:

Finally, can press enter.


War and Wonders

Broadway is done ...

and the first show is "Hitting on Isabella"

1776AD, we razed Cordoba

and finally rid Freddie off this world:

This rid us of the WW from Germany, and reduce cultural slider back to 0%.

The remaining years, razed 3 more cities:

End-turn situation:

2 more cities to go.

Some units may have goto order, sorry.

>>> The Save (1790AD) <<<

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

basically change citizen to engineer

I didn't do that intentionally.

 

[lukep]

looking at the save, i think that Ragnar land is enough to hit domination.

If we do that, we can go against him with bombers only, i think.

If we want to go against Brennus, i think we need tanks

Of course the alternative is to take both

 

[GreyFox]

Ragnar is more advance than Brennus ... boasting artilleries.

According to the victory screen, we are now at 0.1&#37; shy of 50%. I can't believe it. Visually, I would think we had well pass the half-way mark.

In any case (Brennus or Ragnar), I think we need a few turnsets of build up to be ready.

Oh, we have too much cash, I didn't use it, but now in retrospect, I think we should try to buy some infrastructures building. Eg: courthouses and basic infrastructure in newly-captured cities, cultural buildings (cathedrals) in cities like bombay, etc.

Also, the GE: we could save him for the 3GD ... or trigger a GA. I am fine with both ... the problem with 3GD is it is still quite some techs away, and we have better techs to research like radio and rocketry.

On civics, I think it is time for us to switch away from OR to perhaps free religion or theocracy, and Bureaucracy (once the wonder is finished) to vassalage or free speech.

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[Admiral Kutzov]

@GF, IIRC, we did radio before flight. Don't we want tanks next?

with regard to the rare GE, won't he only buy us about a third of the dam?

and deferring to the other (much) better players here, maybe it's time to think of Stalin's approach(quantity has a quality...) now that we have bombers.

 

[GreyFox]

I don't know abt radio, didn't check ... since research of flight span across my entire 10-turns. If so, yes, we should do Industrialism. At some point, we may want to divert to communism for state property.

Yes, GE only add one third of 3GD (hehe, only one gorges) AFACR.

I have one more proposal for consideration that is to close border immediately with our next target while we pause for build up. It is gonna have a great hit on their economy because we are just so huge, half of their trades routes will be eliminated overnight. And since we have the shrine spynet (but that means no free religion), we don't need the open borders to scout their cities.

 

[LKendter]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/1898/LK130_AD-1810.CivWarlordsSave


1790 AD
We really have a massive empire. It is hard to believe we are below 50&#37; land.
(IT) As expected, we built Rock and Roll.


1792 AD
Salamanca falls, and Spain is down to just one city.

I see no wonders worth getting at this point, so I start our GA.


1796 AD
We prove how nasty a cannon stack is as Seville falls wiping out Izzy.


1798 AD
(IT) We built the Eiffel Tower.

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New Updates
Bombers are starting to arrive. They are stacking up in Bombay, Bangalore and Durnovaria for now.
Ragnar *will* join us in this war. That will provide a decent distraction for the Celts.
Tanks are just starting to arrive, and a lot of cities are running out of buildings thanks to the GA. Can you say military overload?

I will concede Bureaucracy has outlived its usefulness. I didn't touch any civics due to the GA. Do we want free speech or vassalage?
I vote against free religion, as I don't want to lose religious spying. We can get theocracy as a 2nd switch for no additional turns of anarchy.


Roster
LKendter (vacation 5/25 to 5/28)
Lukep (currently playing)
Admiral Kutzov (on deck)
GreyFox

Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: domination.

Planned wars - the big showdown with Indian and the Celts.


Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - Berlin
Wall Street - Unum
Oxford - Konya
Forbidden Palace - Nobamba
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works - Bula

 

[GreyFox]

Nicely done, the slaying of Spain.

I vote for Free Speech + Theocracy. Only problem with theocracy is we can only spread confusion then, but since we are going for the end-game kill, spreading of other religion is less significant.

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[LKendter]

Only problem with theocracy is we can only spread confusion then, but since we are going for the end-game kill, spreading of other religion is less significant.--

IIRC you can spread any religion you own, but the AI can't spread religion to you. At least it was that way with 1.61.

 

[lukep]

build turnset for next declaration.
focused on troops, troops and troops. tanks and Bombers mostly.
as we are in any case near domination limit (58%), and in good shape for economy, there is little point in building something else i think.

bombers in Bombay, Bangalore and Durnovaria.
tanks in Erdine & Bula.

revolted to Free Speech + Theocracy as agreed

traded with ragnar electricity for Communism and 340

1816 goto plastic. start upgrades
1817 GPP born in bombay. He sleeps neat istambul

All our troops are upgraded (there is one longbow still i think), and so we can declare when we want and feel we are ready.

I builded a lot of bombers to hit Brennus troops as much as possible before the real battle. He can send us quite a big stack.

Now should we declare now a wait a bit, i suppose it depends if Ragnar still want to fight with us.

 

[GreyFox]

So after those Spanish revolts are clenched, our land domination is now 58&#37;? Good, I think a few cities capture would tip us over ... especially if we capture those cities that are severely affecting the culture of some of our cities like Bang, Bombay, and 1 or 2 cities at the southern Celtic border.

I think we should declare now, regardless of Ragnar's willingness to join us.

We won't get another 2 GPs for GA before the game ends, so I suggest joining the GPP to the Edirne or the Wall Street city.

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[LKendter]

New Updates
I don't think three gorges dam is worth the bother at this point. We have the needed production to win this one.

I would like to propose that we start the war taking out the three northern Indian cities. All of our captured Indian cities should get huge land grabs toward domination.

The good news is Ragnar will still declare war on India. Two techs is worth getting them to go away from us a bit before starting the war.


Roster
LKendter (vacation 5/25 to 5/28)
Lukep
Admiral Kutzov (currently playing)
GreyFox (on deck)

Remember 15 peace / 10 war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: domination.

Planned wars - the big showdown with Indian and the Celts.


Small wonders
Heroic Epic - Edirne
Globe Theater - Berlin
Wall Street - Unum
Oxford - Konya
Forbidden Palace - Nobamba
National Epic - Ulundi
Iron Works - Bula

 

[GreyFox]

revolted to Free Speech + Theocracy as agreed
traded with ragnar electricity for Communism and 340

Should have done that in reverse order ... maybe we could've revolted to State Property at the same time

 

[lukep]

Should have done that in reverse order ... maybe we could've revolted to State Property at the same time

this not happened on the same turn
the trade was not open at first.

Anyhow we dont need it. I'm sure Brennus will last less than a turnset, now, either AK one or yours.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

I will need a skip. Will be away from my civ computer until Tuesday (became an uncle for the second time, today) and we're off to see the newest little troll in our family. I'll be back the evening of the 29th, but don't think you want to wait that long.

I vote for getting ragnar to declare on Gandhi, waiting a few turns and then declaring; we may get asked to join the party in the interim anyway.

Anyway, I'd be thrilled to take this; I fear the game will be over by my return.

 

[GreyFox]

No problem, AK, I have it. I don't think the game will end in 10 turns, but it will likely not survive 20 turns. So the player after me would probably finish the game.

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[GreyFox]

Summary

I lied.


Details

First order of business to re-organize some troops (tons of troops at Edirne?) to prepare for invasion from Delhi and Bombay.

Next, get Ragnar to declare war:

Go, Ragnar go! Show them who is the daddy!

Then settled the prophet in Edirne.

Then, Ragnar got a city captured, and came begging for help.

Quite timely, as I would have declared this turn anyway.

NOW HERE COMES THE REAL DADDY.

Immediately captured the coastal city at our backdoor:

Bombers go non-stop air-strike, while troops start marching towards Delhi and Madras from Bombay and Bang respectively.

Due to the long march across India cultural border, the second city to fell is still Celts:

Then, Ragnar must raze a celt city.

stupid AI!

Then the faithful year of AD1831, our troops have finally reached Madras and Delhi.

Madras is first to fall:

The release of cultural pressure at Bang immediately pushes us to 62&#37;.

Next is Delhi:

Damned! My only regret is not being able to eliminate the bald head!

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[GreyFox]

And here is the reason I said "I lied" ... the game did not survive my turnset:

The graphs (somehow, the food graph is all empty)

The ratings, we are #1 throughout

And finally, the winning score and stats of units/buildings.

CFC still disallow .CivWarlordsReplay extension, so here is a zip file.


Some Post-Game Thoughts

Been a fun game, kudos to Lee for hosting it With excellent planning and team coordination, we basically sailed through smoothly since the first Zulu war. However, in retrospect, I think we could have won pre-1800. IMHO, we had been too cautious in the aspect of tech trading and war declaration. Some of the wars could be declared earlier, such as the wars against Zulu and the final showdown with Brennus, and some techs could be traded earlier since we are leading in tech, we shouldn't be too worried by the WFYABTA limit.

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[lukep]

Fun game indeed. Thanks to all
Good team play i think, with lot of discussion.

I agree that we were a bit cautious, but with the lead we had, it was not harmfull. We took some risks on the begining then used our power.

The Shrines+ToA combo was very efficient, much more than i would have think. I dont think i have ever built some many missus.

For the fun i tried my idea of taking Ragnar instead of Brennus. worked too, but still not pre 1800

the broken GNP and crop-yeld graphs seem to be linked to the fact i use a mac (G5 not intel). I doesn't affect the game it seems (the statistics are ok) but those 2 graphs. probably indian sorting bug

 

[LKendter]

Add another win to the series.

This start was just to strong not to dominate.