Loser!--Nurses have authority too

[metatron]

I may have missed something, but basically a baby hurt himself (details lacking how), he's driven to the hospital, and because he has a fever a nurse insults the parents due to "no immunization".

How exactly is it acceptable ? I mean, we don't even know which disease caused the fever, if any. Are you going to be called "loser" each time you or someone in your family has a fever ?

The fever has nothing to do with it.
See post #3.

The child could have worms - and a fever.
The child could be 8 and unable to read - and have a fever.
The child be obviously traumatised due to domestic abuse - and have a fever.

I don't think anyone in this discussion has argued that what the nurse did was acceptable. It was unprofessional and it was rude.

Yeah, i guess the point here is whether we give a damn.

So, yeah, maybe she was rude.
Maybe a hospital is a place where it may happen that one of the employees there, busy with saving people's lifes and people's health, quite stressed most of the time, is rude to you because you are exactly the type that tends to make that very job harder by being full of ****.

Maybe that is not "acceptable".
But people in this thread are behaving like it was a freaking hotel!

"May i take your coat, sir?
Harry will get the bag, sir.
We have an excellent crème brûlée today.
We appreciate your views on vaccination. We're sure you know best."​

Oh please...

 

[Kyriakos]

Each one in his personal nirvana, as usual.

Spoiler :

Link to video.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Seems to me she intended to mock the doctor, not the patient. Nothing too interesting here.

That is also a likely possibility.

I may have missed something, but basically a baby hurt himself (details lacking how), he's driven to the hospital, and because he has a fever a nurse insults the parents due to "no immunization".

How exactly is it acceptable ? I mean, we don't even know which disease caused the fever, if any. Are you going to be called "loser" each time you or someone in your family has a fever ?

At least the first part is right about the baby supposedly physically hurting himself while trying to walk and is driven to the hospital.

But the staff then determine that not only has the baby not been immunized, but it also has a fairly high fever without the parents even knowing about it.

Is it "acceptable" that this note was apparently accidentally left in the ER room so the parents might read it? No.

Is it newsworthy? No.

 

[Akka]

But the staff then determine that not only has the baby not been immunized, but it also has a fairly high fever without the parents even knowing about it.

Okay, now THAT is the point I didn't infer from the article - I thought that the fever was a consequence of the baby hurting himself, and hence part of the reason why the parents went to the hospital.
At least it makes the nurse's comment much more understandable.

("not immunized" means little, as we don't know which immunization were required and which ones are lacking ; for all I know, I may be lacking immunizations that are recommanded/mandatory in the place where the story happened)

 

[Formaldehyde]

Again, the parents are paranoid Alex Jones-type "immunizations are bad for you" tinfoil hat wearers. And that is apparently how this story even got enough legs to even be known outside the local area.

While it was certainly unprofessional for the nurse to have apparently inadvertently left the note in the ER exam room where it could be discovered and read by the parents, I don't see how anybody could disagree with the assessment of whoever did write the note. That is if it was even directed at the parents instead of another ER staff member.

 

[Akka]

Again, the parents are paranoid Alex Jones-type "immunizations are bad for you" tinfoil hat wearers.

THAT point was certainly not shown in the OP - unless maybe you follow the link, but the relevant informations from a discussion are supposed to be in the thread itself.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well i sure hope not many people actually think others are allowed to insult them 'just because' they have their own strong views. Nor does anything show that this nurse is anything even remotely resembling a logical-thinking person, otherwise she would not have done what she did, and now (supposedly) is no longer working with the hospital.

I see people on the street, or at stores, acting in ways i personally do not like. I still will not walk to them and call them names. And i definitely would neither do that if i actually was a clerk supposed to help them with their needs, be they in a hospital, other such institution, or a business establishment.

 

[warpus]

You're an author, right? Say you go to a conference of some sort, and there are people there who burn books because they are convinced that books cause cancer.

Now, you love to write, right? You probably also love books. You would probably call those people stupid or even maybe losers.

It wasn't professional and she shouldn't have done it, but I can certainly see where she's coming from. She's a nurse, her whole live revolves around making others healthier - and here she runs into people who are making her a job a lot more difficult, not to mention making the lives of others less healthy and more dangerous. An emotional response is natural here, it's just that her reaction to it was a bit over the top.

 

[Kyriakos]

You're an author, right? Say you go to a conference of some sort, and there are people there who burn books because they are convinced that books cause cancer.

Now, you love to write, right? You probably also love books. You would probably call those people stupid or even maybe losers.

It wasn't professional and she shouldn't have done it, but I can certainly see where she's coming from. She's a nurse, her whole live revolves around making others healthier - and here she runs into people who are making her a job a lot more difficult, not to mention making the lives of others less healthy and more dangerous. An emotional response is natural here, it's just that her reaction to it was a bit over the top.

I can see that point, although personally i would not do any such thing, no (but i am rather on the very temperate side of things, and very introverted anyway).

I would not react to people burning books-- even if it was a book with my own work, at least some copy of it anyway. As long as they don't harm me physically, or others physically or (objectively) mentally, i have no issue with what anyone does.

The nurse here clearly was in no position to act this way. It would have been rude if she was just another patient or visiting relative etc. But she worked there. You cannot expect people to condone insults at them by the very staff of the institution they maintain as a help in their life, or any other prefered venue of leisure or bying things. Nurses or doctors have no authority on patients or their relatives as long as the latter are not doing anything illegal.

 

[JollyRoger]

Nor does anything show that this nurse is anything even remotely resembling a logical-thinking person, otherwise she would not have done what she did, and now (supposedly) is no longer working with the hospital.

This seems a huge illogical leap to me.

 

[householder]

Again, the parents are paranoid Alex Jones-type "immunizations are bad for you" tinfoil hat wearers. And that is apparently how this story even got enough legs to even be known outside the local area.

Certainly they are vaccine "truthers," although I am not sure they are of the Alex Jones variety. The anti-vaccine movement has a certain political constituency in the US. I would expect the parents to also oppose the teaching of evolution, to be supporters of the Tea Party, and to intend on homeschooling their children. They are also likely to be followers of a conservative/hardline interpretation of their brand of Christianity. I am generalizing, of course, and could be wrong about these particular parents. But I have found that many people who fit that profile are anti-vaccine.

You cannot expect people to condone insults at them by the very staff of the institution they maintain as a help in their life, or any other prefered venue of leisure or bying things.

Exactly so. The hospital needs to provide, not only life-giving medical care, but do so in a caring manner. The nurse was guilty of poor customer service. Her action puts the hospital in a bad light and they need to make sure that the public understands that it will not be tolerated.

That said, I agree with Formaldehyde that this is a local news story which is of little importance. The story "has legs" because members of the anti-vaccine movement are upset that one of their own was insulted by a hospital employee. It is nothing more than that.

 

[Darkflight]

A nurse does something she shouldn't and is disciplined for it. Is this really worth a thread? Really????

 

[Formaldehyde]

Certainly they are vaccine "truthers," although I am not sure they are of the Alex Jones variety. The anti-vaccine movement has a certain political constituency in the US. I would expect the parents to also oppose the teaching of evolution, to be supporters of the Tea Party, and to intend on homeschooling their children. They are also likely to be followers of a conservative/hardline interpretation of their brand of Christianity. I am generalizing, of course, and could be wrong about these particular parents. But I have found that many people who fit that profile are anti-vaccine.

Color me surprised. I thought only a handful of Alex Jones types were uncomfortable about the efficacy and safety of vaccines. But it turns out that not only is it fairly widespread, it is only slightly a right wing phenomenon:

Perhaps even more surprising is that 17% of scientists polled by Pew on a number of issues think the decision to vaccinate should be left up to the parents, instead of being required, compared to 28% of the general population:

But then again, 8% of the US scientists polled actually believe that a supreme being guided evolution. And 2% of them even believe in creationism...

 

[Arachnofiend]

The US has the flexibility to define scientists very loosely. It isn't hard to get a paper of dubious scientific credibility published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal if you go to BYU to find your peers.

 

[aelf]

...

what is this thread about

I don't understand what this thread is about, or what is has to do with authority...?

Clearly you guys are unable to appreciate Kyriakos' wit.

:-( LOSER!

I see that the General Law is in full effect here.

Oh the irony.

I, too, am for people killing themselves and their loved ones, in the name of freedom and asshatery.

 

[warpus]

Certainly they are vaccine "truthers," although I am not sure they are of the Alex Jones variety. The anti-vaccine movement has a certain political constituency in the US. I would expect the parents to also oppose the teaching of evolution, to be supporters of the Tea Party, and to intend on homeschooling their children. They are also likely to be followers of a conservative/hardline interpretation of their brand of Christianity. I am generalizing, of course, and could be wrong about these particular parents. But I have found that many people who fit that profile are anti-vaccine.

A lot of the anti-vaccine people on my facebook are liberal somewhat hippy-like activists who usually are also against GMOs, do not eat gluten, post stuff about organic foods, and so on. It's the activist crowd - you know, people who want to be activists, no matter what the movement is. They eat that stuff up.

 

[Rashiminos]

I, too, am for people killing themselves and their loved ones, in the name of freedom and asshatery.

You are!

I'm not trying to force you to conform ( that's not my MO. )

I am terrified that people are doing this, though, and I think it's a mistake.

Yet you do feel the need to call others stupid.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

^AFAIK they were not on Obamacare and its 'free'-status, so they did pay Either through their own insurance program they bought, or their taxes. It's the US, afterall.

People get treated without either insurance or their own money, and it happens somewhat frequently. Hospitals don't just routinely turn away people in need of urgent care because they can't pay.

Also, 0 immunizations if true could rationally constitute neglect unless the child is essentially a newborn that hasn't had them routinely yet. Parents are harshly judged by society for doing far less risky things to their children than a literal interpretation of "0 immunizations".

But I have found that many people who fit that profile are anti-vaccine.

Much as I hate a lot of things typically associated with Democrats/Liberals, stuff like this makes it completely impossible for me to support the Republican party, too. Well, truthfully the two parties aren't THAT different these days . They draw their lines on one or the other side of an issue or set of issues and then essentially act identically within that framework...which isn't a good thing when the actions carry a very self-interested focus that is consistently reinforced.

 

[metatron]

I think this files here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/11/catholic-hospital-atheist_n_4747995.html

Ok, so we have learned that being (accidentally) rude to right-wing (presumably religious) nutjobs, by, you know, saying the truth, gets you fired.

I wonder what happens to people who stop just short of telling atheists to their face they should be sterilised...

"...she will be coached on her next shift."

Ah. Well. I guess this all makes total sense now...

 

[aelf]

Well, for all their faults, the religious doth know how to look out for their own brethren.

It makes it funny, though, when they feel persecuted when non-theists just band together to express themselves.