lurker's comment: You're run by the conservative faction; this will probably unseat your party and screw up everything. Just sayin'.
LuckNES V
- Thread starter Luckymoose
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You don't understand the meaning of private enterprise. The entire meaning of it is that the government doesn't control it. Regulate sure, but not control.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
OOC: True and true to your first paragraph. I was wrong. Sometimes people are wrong. You could have been non-aggressive in your post, and you were not. I respond very negatively to aggression.
This is not the first time you have mentioned the likelihood of dissent; the first time was when I was ceding my treaty ports to China and you st that this would increase dissent among Prussian nationalists. You were wrong, and you would think you would have learned your lesson then.
As for my "articulations" being poorly thought out or wrong, this is the first time I have been plainly wrong in any "articulation" I have expressed. If you think otherwise, you are wrong. Poor thought, on the other hand, while a possibility, I had solid reasoning to back up every one of my decisions; you just disagree, which does not make them poorly thought out. It means you disagree.
Finally, what Russia will gain in this war, if it continues, is a loss, plain and simple; the terms of this treaty are the best they will get, and they should have taken them while they were offered.
To: The Kingdom of Sweden
From: The Prussian Union
The fact is, we have not the capability to invade Sweden at the moment; however, if the war were to continue for two, or maybe three more years, we will have that capability.
We are not fighting a three front war, we are fighting a two front war with Russia/Sweden and Hungary; Hungary will be defeated this year, turning it into a one front war, which we will win.
We are not a horrible ally when we trade Finland to Russia; the fact is, Russia demanded Finland, and Finland will be better off under Russia than it would be under Sweden, which are our choices for the moment. Because Russia has refused our extremely generous peace, the next treaty will include a free Finland, as well as enormous territory loss by Russia and, most likely, the agreed annexation of Hungary.
As for resource supply, we guarantee that, in a war of resource attrition, Prussia will beat both Russia and Sweden every single time. While you may have been an important supplier to our military and economy, we have been just as much an important supplier to your military and economy. This is one major loss to your economy.
The second is that of any naval trade. Sweden can and will be denied naval trade by the Prussian navy, and there is nothing you can do to counter it. We will also deny trade to Russia and, with the addition of Romania and the Hellenic Republic to the war, we will restrict their access to the Black Sea as well.
Russia's and, therefore, Sweden's last major economic outlet is Qing China, which will continue to be dominated by Japanese and British merchant. You cannot and will not sustain your economies at the level they are at for the next year, let alone the next two or three years. Your economies will fail, and, while Prussia may suffer a mild recession, we will not fall nearly as hard as Russia or Sweden.
From this, it seems that the Prussian Union is in the best possible situation to bring forth its first, and very reasonable, offer: complete and unconditional surrender of Sweden to the Prussian Union and the freedom of Finland from Swedish forces. We will accept no other peace from Sweden.
Quite possibly the first completely true and on-topic thing that sp1023 has ever posted, although his optimism about Prussia's land invasions of Russia are obviously misplaced.
To: The Hellenic Republic
From: The Prussian Union
You are, indeed, obligated. While the war with Russia was started by the Prussian Union, the attacks of Hungary and Sweden fall under wars in which Prussia is not the aggressor. They chose to enter on the side of Russia and, because they initiated attacks against Finland, Romania, and Prussia, you are obligated by the treaty to enter the war against Sweden and Hungary; this will undoubtedly cause Russia to declare war on you, bringing you full into the war. In fact, it has most likely already happened.
As for the support you are capable of lending, your navy will be a great support to Romania in the coming battle for the Black Sea. Romania will be capable of building at least one Goliath, and we have examined your economy and found you capable of doing the same. Adding these two Goliaths to your combined navy will make it impossible for the Russian navy to stop you.
Russia cannot afford the forces to "colonize" the Hellenic Republic; it will be busied with naval battles in the Black Sea, land battles in Europe, and revolts in Finland that will be capable of tying up significant amounts of Russian troops. You are more than safe if you build a single Goliath and send it to help us in our naval battle with Russia.
To: The Empire of France
From: The Prussian Union
We would like to request, on behalf of the Hellenic Republic, an allowance for the Hellenic Republic to move its navy through the Bosporus Straits. We would hope this would not be a problem for France, but we feel the need to obtain permission before authorizing the sending of the ships.
OOC: Wow, that was lots longer than I thought it was going to be. Sorry for the length, everyone.
Captain2
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OOC:
I take your first paragraph to be OOC since you are talking about things as yourself and not as Prussia judging by the first person being used and not the "we" style statements later.
I'd like to mention that while you may threaten me as you please IC, I don't enjoy being threatened OOC, Russia may or may not suffer as a result of my decisions but its not proper conduct to try and psych me out
I take your first paragraph to be OOC since you are talking about things as yourself and not as Prussia judging by the first person being used and not the "we" style statements later.
I'd like to mention that while you may threaten me as you please IC, I don't enjoy being threatened OOC, Russia may or may not suffer as a result of my decisions but its not proper conduct to try and psych me out
Fuschia
A Little Odd
OOC: It is OOC. However, I do not threaten you OOC. I make statements that I believe to be true; I would not be in this war if I did not think Prussia could win it. Besides, if you are so weak that something as simple as saying "you'll lose" would get you to capitulate to all of my demands, you would have already; as such, it is not a "psych out," it is a statement of my belief.
Captain2
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OOC: perhaps, but in order for me to surrender you'll have to march to the Pacfic and you can't afford a war that long.
and I never said that I'd give in to any demands, your comment on my destruction OOC has changed a cordial game into a challenge, and I personally don't enjoy playing agianst someone who's playing to win rather than just playing for enjoyment
and I never said that I'd give in to any demands, your comment on my destruction OOC has changed a cordial game into a challenge, and I personally don't enjoy playing agianst someone who's playing to win rather than just playing for enjoyment
Fuschia
A Little Odd
OOC: No, I will not have to march to the Pacific. The majority of Russia and its people are far, far away from the Pacific. I will not have to go even half-way there.
I never said you would give in to any of my demands; I was making a point about how it was not a psych out, which was one of your initial complaints.
As for my comment, it is still a cordial game. I stated my belief that Prussia would win. I don't believe that saying I think I will win turns a game into a personal challenge between the players. I would not be playing if it was a challenge, I would be doing something else; I play for enjoyment, and to think otherwise is plainly illogical.
You just seem not to be reading what I am posting exceptionally well, as that is at least one mistake you have made in the reading(see paragraph 2). I really do not mean any personal insult, challenge or, indeed, anything personal at all when I post on this forum. I am truly sorry about anything I posted that may have offended you.
I never said you would give in to any of my demands; I was making a point about how it was not a psych out, which was one of your initial complaints.
As for my comment, it is still a cordial game. I stated my belief that Prussia would win. I don't believe that saying I think I will win turns a game into a personal challenge between the players. I would not be playing if it was a challenge, I would be doing something else; I play for enjoyment, and to think otherwise is plainly illogical.
You just seem not to be reading what I am posting exceptionally well, as that is at least one mistake you have made in the reading(see paragraph 2). I really do not mean any personal insult, challenge or, indeed, anything personal at all when I post on this forum. I am truly sorry about anything I posted that may have offended you.
Captain2
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alright fine, as long as we're not dueling it out over colours on a map 
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
Request denied. Perhaps if they were Prussian ships, we would gladly allow them to pass through to show our friendship. But we do not trust the Hellenic Republic.
We thank you for asking first though.
@Fuschia- I have some Magyar friends who would like to have a word with you about ethnicity. 
You'd start a revolution against yourself.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
Orders away. *insert evil laugh here* Be afraid, be very afraid. *insert same evil laugh here*
Fuschia
A Little Odd
You would allow it then, if they were Prussian ships? Prussia may have found a way to bring its navy to the proper location. If we can, will you let us pass?
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
40 million Prussian Unionists against 130 million Russians fighting on their own ground - it'll be amusing to see you try at least
Fuschia
A Little Odd
OOC: I don't have to, and I won't bother. The fact is, territory gain in Russia through combat is not what I want; I will gain territory, if I care to take any, when the peace is signed by Russia and through the annexation of Hungary. The majority of Russia is of little consequence to me. I will simply starve it out until they cave in. Beyond that, you will have to wait for the update to see exactly what my plans are....
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
Of course. May you have a safe and uneventful trip.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
Then it is agreed. We thank you for the permission and, hopefully, we will arrive in time to take advantage of it.
Captain2
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well we'll just see how things go then
DarthNader
Destroyer of Worlds
Romania's orders have been sent.
Are my posts really that irrelevant to the NES?
Why am I not trusted?
@Fuschia- I have some Magyar friends who would like to have a word with you about ethnicity.
You'd start a revolution against yourself.
If that happens, Ill switch it back. I haven't said it in my orders anyways. I just wanted to see theoretical solutions.
OOC: Luckymoose, did you get my orders?
