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[GS] Māori Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by bite, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    Prediction: you will hardly ever encounter the Maori in game because the AI will almost always lose their starting settler to barbarians when it disembarks.
     
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  2. Giskler

    Giskler +1 Sleuthing

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    I assume they will be placed in buildings with slots that can hold any Great Work and if no such slots are available, then Kupe will order a book burning festival to take place.

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  3. nzcamel

    nzcamel Nahtanoj the Magnificent

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    I can see a buff coming up a month after release where the first Maori settler is also a Toa ;)
     
  4. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    The Firaxis artists are gushing about Kupe on Twitter. He does look really terrific.
     
  5. Turrdy

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    Follow-up-question: does that mean you can't build districts and/or wonders on such tiles (and therefore behaving like luxuries/strategic resources)?
     
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  6. pgm123

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    Fwiw, I don't think they said it replaces anything, so it presumably doesn't upgrade either.
     
  7. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    That's what I would assume. Place your cities accordingly.
     
  8. 679x

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    I'm going as far as to say that this is gonna be the coolest civ in Civilization 6.
     
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  9. humble serf

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    The Maori have a (potentially) OP amphitheatre, so removing writers and slots for writing seems to be more for balance than realism.

    I don't think they seem situational -- their only bonuses which require water are +1 food to fishing boats (which seems strong) and culture bombs on fishing boats (which seems weak). They'd still get full use out of everything else even if they somehow ended up deep inland on a pangaea map. Which is practically impossible, given the embarked start.

    Volcanoes are going to be generated as features "on top" of mountains by the map scripts, so if mountains and ice don't count then volcanoes are potentially the only "impassable" features.
     
  10. Amrunril

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    The sea start is a really interesting ability to evaluate. In a direct sense, I don't think it's as big a change as it initially seems. Obviously, your first few turns will be different, but once you settle, you'll be in pretty much exactly the same spot as a civ that settled half a dozen turns earlier and opened by producing a builder. The potentially more important difference will be in city placement, and we don't know enough details about the behind the scenes mechanics to be sure of how this will work. Can the Maori count on finding a resource rich capitol location (as other civs can)? Are they likely to end up closer than usual to other civs' start positions? These factors aren't part of the civ's "official" abilities, but they'll make a much bigger difference in the long term that the handful of turns actually spent at sea.

    In the big picture then, I think the Maori can best be thought of as a civ with a unique start bias, coupled with early seafaring, substantial bonuses to forest yields, and altered culture gameplay. This certainly seems like a distinctive and potentially strong civ, but it may not be as dramatic an outlier in either of these dimensions as people are assuming.
     
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  11. Eagle Pursuit

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    Other UUs that don't replace a generic unit upgrade. There's no reason why the Toa wouldn't.
     
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    Will the Maori starting bonuses change with game speed? Having 2 pop and a builder after 5 turns is outright impossible on epic and marathon.
     
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  13. Turrdy

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    Oh well, another drawback then...
     
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    Hmm Norway may not be my favourite after this
     
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    Don't see why. Their bonuses are like any Civs - a specific advantage that is offset by other Civ's having different advantages that you don't.
     
  16. Eagle Pursuit

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    They should give Norway a free Longship to start with so they have the ability to snipe the Maori settler in the water if they can find it.
     
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    I was predicting lots of Polar Maori and Robinson Crusoe Maori civs from the AI, but this is an even dire, and potentially accurate, prediction.

    You can't even stack the Settler and Warrior in the ocean, so the AI would need to coordinate their landing, which it is difficult to believe it would be taught to do.
     
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  18. Victoria

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    As someone who has played about 100 free inquiry games.... THIS civ is made for it. My builder can go 4MP across ocean from turn 1...its a golden age every time and that really strong early production is going to get you there fast. If unaware Free inquiry = tonnes of early science.

    One suspects people do not appreciate just how warlike the maori were/are

    So to make it clear out there... The Maori turned up in NZ where there were no mammals except a bat. But there was a 15 foot turkey called a Moa. A few hundred years later they have eaten all the Moa and grown to cover NZ (apart from Fiordland due to sandflies) and they get all warlike and attack each other (yum). Maori's like a good fight and it gives you Mana. This is a leetle bit different to a lot of indigenous peoples.
     
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  19. PhilBowles

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    All of that demonstrates the Maori were good fighters - nothing to do with the haka. I can't find any reference in a quick search to the haka having been used as an effective weapon.

    As important as morale is in combat, it isn't represented in Civ games and it leaves a bad taste that they resort to caricatures by giving the Maori a bonus for it and no one else. The function of the haka was primarily ritualistic rather than to attack opposing forces' morale, unlike a battle cry - Wikipedia describes it as part of warriors' 'battle preparations'. While also noting that treating it as a war dance is inaccurate: "According to Kāretu, the haka has been "erroneously defined by generations of uninformed as 'war dances'".

    Cook, for one, doesn't appear to have been particularly intimidated, writing: " in short nothing is omittd which can render a human shape frightful and deformd, which I suppose they think terrible".
     
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    It's sad that Norway is one of my least favourite civs to play in Civ 6. We finally get represented and end up being garbage tier :(
     
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