Madonna booed in Bucharest for defending Gypsies

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BUCHAREST, Romania - At first, fans politely applauded the Roma performers sharing a stage with Madonna. Then the pop star condemned widespread discrimination against Roma, or Gypsies — and the cheers gave way to jeers.

The sharp mood change that swept the crowd of 60,000, who had packed a park for Wednesday night's concert, underscores how prejudice against Gypsies remains deeply entrenched across Eastern Europe.

Despite long-standing efforts to stamp out rampant bias, human rights advocates say Roma probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than any other people group on the continent.

Sometimes, it can be deadly: In neighboring Hungary, six Roma have been killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks targeting small countryside villages predominantly settled by Gypsies.

"There is generally widespread resentment against Gypsies in Eastern Europe. They have historically been the underdog," Radu Motoc, an official with the Soros Foundation Romania, said Thursday.

Roma, or Gypsies, are a nomadic ethnic group believed to have their roots in the Indian subcontinent. They live mostly in southern and eastern Europe, but hundreds of thousands have migrated west over the past few decades in search of jobs and better living conditions.

Romania has the largest number of Roma in the region. Some say the population could be as high as 2 million, although official data put it at 500,000.

Until the 19th century, Romanian Gypsies were slaves, and they've gotten a mixed response ever since: While discrimination is widespread, many East Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, which they embrace as part of the region's cultural heritage.

That explains why the Roma musicians and a dancer who had briefly joined Madonna onstage got enthusiastic applause. And it also may explain why some in the crowd turned on Madonna when she paused during the two-hour show — a stop on her worldwide "Sticky and Sweet" tour — to touch on their plight.

"It has been brought to my attention ... that there is a lot of discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in Eastern Europe," she said. "It made me feel very sad."

Thousands booed and jeered her.

A few cheered when she added: "We don't believe in discrimination ... we believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone." But she got more boos when she mentioned discrimination against homosexuals and others.

"I jeered her because it seemed false what she was telling us. What business does she have telling us these things?" said Ionut Dinu, 23.

Madonna did not react and carried on with her concert, held near the hulking palace of the late communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.

Her publicist, Lizz Rosenberg, said Madonna and other had told her there were cheers as well as jeers.

"Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt compelled to make a brief statement," Rosenberg said in an e-mail. "She will not be issuing a further statement."

One Roma musician said the attitude toward Gypsies is contradictory.

"Romanians watch Gypsy soap operas, they like Gypsy music and go to Gypsy concerts," said Damian Draghici, a Grammy Award-winner who has performed with James Brown and Joe Cocker.

"But there has been a wave of aggression against Roma people in Italy, Hungary and Romania, which shows me something is not OK," he told the AP in an interview. "The politicians have to do something about it. People have to be educated not to be prejudiced. All people are equal, and that is the message politicians must give."

Nearly one in two of Europe's estimated 12 million Roma claimed to have suffered an act of discrimination over the past 12 months, according to a recent report by the Vienna-based EU Fundamental Rights Agency. The group says Roma face "overt discrimination" in housing, health care and education.

Many do not have official identification, which means they cannot get social benefits, are undereducated and struggle to find decent jobs.

Roma children are more likely to drop out of school than their peers from other ethnic groups. Many Romanians label Gypsies as thieves, and many are outraged by those who beg or commit petty crimes in Western Europe, believing they spoil Romania's image abroad.

In May 2007, Romanian President Traian Basescu was heard to call a Romanian journalist a "stinky Gypsy" during a conversation with his wife. Romania's anti-discrimination board criticized Basescu, who later apologized.

Human rights activists say the attacks in Hungary, which began in July 2008, may be tied to that country's economic crisis and the rising popularity of far-right vigilantes angered by a rash of petty thefts and other so-called "Gypsy crime." Last week, police arrested four suspects in a nightclub in the eastern city of Debrecen.

Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and Slovakia also have been criticized for widespread bias against Roma.

Madonna's outrage touched a nerve in Romania, but it seems doubtful it will change anything, said the Soros Foundation's Motoc.

"Madonna is a pop star. She is not an expert on interethnic relations," he said.

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Booed for defending a people who is being discriminated against? :lol:

So what do you think, CFCers? Is it hypocritical that Eastern Europeans like gypsie music yet discriminate against them? Seems to me to be a little Harlem Renaissance-like to me there.
 
Because they are filthy scum.
 
It's always funny when a naive/ignorant American arrives somewhere and tries to lecture people without actually understanding the problem. She had a concert here too and also promoted Roma culture - nobody said a word against it. Keep politics out of pop music and everybody will be happy.
 
It's always funny when a naive/ignorant American arrives somewhere and tries to lecture people without actually understanding the problem. She had a concert here too and also promoted Roma culture - nobody said a word against it. Keep politics out of pop music and everybody will be happy.
The best music is usually at least somewhat political.
 
Stupid Romanians.
 
I think we should give the Roma their own country.

Somewhere in the middle east should work best.
 
It's always funny when a naive/ignorant American arrives somewhere and tries to lecture people without actually understanding the problem. She had a concert here too and also promoted Roma culture - nobody said a word against it. Keep politics out of pop music and everybody will be happy.
Saying 'racism is bad' is a political statement?
 
I think we should give the Roma their own country.

Somewhere in the middle east should work best.

The best solution would be to give each of them €10,000 cash and a plane ticket to America/Canada in exchange for a voluntary renouncment of citizenship and a written promise never to return.

It would be so great to see how long would this support for Gypsies last in these countries :lol: It's so easy to criticize when the problem is thousands of kilometers away, huh?
 
One of the few scenarios in which I do not approve of booing Madonna.
 
Why does everyone hate Gypsies so much? It's so ********.

Why can't they live as civilized people? It's so ********.

Seriously, this is not about hatred, it's just that people are fed up with giving money to people who just abuse the system, refuse to be civil and integrate even on the most basic level (things like sending kids to schools, not stealing from others etc.). The longer is this farce going on, the more frustrated the people are.

So then, when some pop-star arrives with her new multikulti image and falsely accuses people of racism, she gets what she deserves.
 
edit: I'm wrong, stupid
 
I think we should give the Roma their own country.

Somewhere in the middle east should work best.
Forget that. Let's give them land where they have always resided and would feel comfortable living if all the Roma haters were moved elsewhere. Say the Chech Republic...
 
The best solution would be to give each of them €10,000 cash and a plane ticket to America/Canada in exchange for a voluntary renouncment of citizenship and a written promise never to return.

It would be so great to see how long would this support for Gypsies last in these countries :lol: It's so easy to criticize when the problem is thousands of kilometers away, huh?
And we can send you some of our problem groups...

Forget that. Let's give them land where they have always resided and would feel comfortable living if all the Roma haters were moved elsewhere. Say the Chech Republic...
Are the Romani really descended from Indians? How could they "always" have lived in Moravia? :crazyeye:
 
Why can't they live as civilized people? It's so ********.

Seriously, this is not about hatred, it's just that people are fed up with giving money to people who just abuse the system, refuse to be civil and integrate even on the most basic level (things like sending kids to schools, not stealing from others etc.). The longer is this farce going on, the more frustrated the people are.

So then, when some pop-star arrives with her new multikulti image and falsely accuses people of racism, she gets what she deserves.

Okay, Madonna was not an appropriate arbiter of this message, but that doesn't invalidate it. Many people in the US are afraid that African-Americans would steal from them or whatever, but it would be very, very surprising to find a crowd of people that would boo an anti-racist person, even one as stupid as Madonna.
 
I just can't wait for Mirc to jump in this thread. I remember... arguments... about gypsies in an old thread :lol:
Yeah, I couldn't wait for a new thread on gypsies, to advertise my taste for fried minorities at midnight. :rolleyes:

I'll just say that having listened to the comments in Romanian on a video about this, it seems like most people were angry that she said Romas were discriminated against in a widespread manner, not at the people of Roma ethnicity. That is actually quite obvious from this article, who mentions how the musicians playing with her were heartily applauded, and the ovations turned into booings as she said they were discriminated against, something that the people in the crowd do not think is true.

That's all I've got to say on the matter, and I'm pretty sure denying what the booings were actually about is willful ignorance, not misunderstanding.
 
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