Major Hurricane Irene

When you hype the **** out of something & it turns out to be a dud it's human nature to ignore, disregard future warnings. That's what happened with Katrina.

What the media SHOULD do is talk about all possible scenarios not just the worst case scenario.

Funny how people tend to overhype short term problems to the point of hysteria while ignoring long term problems (potential economic, social, environmental catastrophes).
 
It doesn't matter if the media talked about all scenarios. People would latch on to the worst, and then next time brush it aside once more.

I personally didn't get anything except some leaves and a couple two-second power outages.
 

Link to video.

Who can blame them for trolling, he's being a hypocrite & a self-righteous one at that.

Living on the edge of danger makes people feel alive. The constant "OMG!!" of the news makes people (particularly young ones) feel an even stronger urge to live dangerously (like having an overprotective parent).
 
Now to Joe's post.

Oh I am glad it wasnt a cat 3. My opinion is that even as a cat 3 it wouldnt have been as bad as the media made it out to be, but thats my opinion, and stretches into territory that nobody can prove or disprove, so Ill leave that opinion at that. But the thing is, your wrong. "All the signs" did not put it as a category 3 up to NYC.

Oh yes it did. Every single model out there (these are mathematical models that take supercomputers to churn out results) was showing a hurricane that once it hit the NC coast, generally held on onto its strength. This was further proved by things such as size of the hurricane along with its pressure, meaning that it would take a hell of a lot of air to fill it up in order to weaken it. Combined with the fact that a jet was forecasted due north of the storm, which meant that air was going to be pumped out of the storms way, effectively killing anyway to weaken it on it's way to NYC. And it did that just exactly, had these conditions not been in place, we could have had a Hurricane Don on our hands, that once it touched land, it went "poof".

And yes, it would have been extremely bad. The strongest storm NYC has had to deal with in the past was a Category 1 hurricane (1934 I believe), and New Jersey has only faced a single hit from a hurricane since weather record began in the late 19th century. Now add on top the damage that Hurricane Bob did only as a tropical storm, and a Category 3 does look like the end of the world the Northeast.

Of course, maybe in the days leading up to it, and Im fine with that coverage. We dont know whats going to happen, and your absolutely right that plenty of mistakes will happen on a 10 day forecast, or even a 5 day, and they do happen all the time, hurricane or normal weather. But im talking about friday going into saturday when i closely followed the news coverage of it throughout the day. Even after it was almost certain that it would die down into a cat 1 by delaware and possibly tropical storm strength by new england, the media continued to act in the way they would if it remained a cat 3. Like I said before, I understand the worry about NC and VA, NC in particular, because there was reason to believe it would hit those areas hard. And it did. But im talking Maryland, Delaware, Jersey, New York. All these places were treated as if, to use your own words, it would be the "worst natural disaster in recent memory", when in fact it would merely be an above average summer thunderstorm for most places, with excessive flooding in some select places. Everyone, media and government, acted as if this storm endangered the entire coast and even places up to 50 miles inland like Katrina bearing down on New Orleans.

You don't seem to understand that a Category 1 in NC and a Category 1 in NYC are not the same thing. One place is regularly hit by this, the residents have been through such things before (usually every other year or so), building are built to withstand the effects, and people know what to do when a storm threatens. So when a Category 1 comes towards the coast, most people there do shrug it off, they've experienced it before, they know how to act. Now, when dealing with the Northeast, the last tropical system of hurricane strength to threaten the region was twenty years ago. And that was a hurricane-turned tropical storm, if you want an actual hurricane, you have to go back forty years. You can't even imagine forty years at this point in your life. That means that this is a totally new situation for millions of people, they have never been through something like this before, the infrastructure isn't up to code due the sheer rarity of this event, so of course a Category 1 will be "sensational" big news. And of course it would be devastating. And, no, this was not an "above-normal rain event" for the Northeast, unless you think that NYC recording it's wettest month of record (a foot of rain from this storm alone) is normal. And the worst isn't even here yet! 2 feet of rain doesn't just evaporate, no, it goes into rivers, which are expected to flood their banks within the coming days. This is a billion dollar disaster from a Category 1 hurricane; the news people knew this, the NHC knew this, and the government knew this, which is why there was hype surrounding it.

Yes, it COULD have been much, much worse. But once the facts start pointing towards a much lessened impact, maybe the media coverage of the storm should reflect that, instead of continuing to insist that it wasnt over yet and more destruction was yet to come that would overshadow what came before it. My point, is not for the media to downplay these storms, but for them to change their reporting so as to match the current status of the storm and maybe even take into account recent data and adjust to it, admitting it wont be as bad as they thought.

You once again seem to underestimate the strength of this storm. Regardless of whether or not this was going to hit at Cat 3 or Cat 1, this was going to be devastating to a large area and millions of people. And they didn't have to change to reflect the current situation, as the current situation reflected what they were saying. Large amount of damage to the entire Northeast, flooding rains up to 2 feet in some area, 10 foot storm surges across the entire coast, massive erosion, wind damage with winds in excess of 70 miles per hour, this is not something to be taken lightly. And just because your anecdotal evidence points to you not having your home flattered, it does not reflect what someone felt 20 miles away from you on the coast.

A little off topic, but are you a meteorologist or in a profession related to weather in anyway in RL? Im only asking because your sig says your the official CFC meteorologist :p

I am not a meteorologist, nor am I a professional in any sense. Weather watching is a hobby of mine, and I haven't delved any further than that. My sig is just what people earlier in this thread decided to name me :p

EDIT: And the continued mockery of a billion dollar disaster in this thread saddens me greatly.
 
Just as I started thinking we got away unscathed, our cable/internet went down an hour ago. And is still down.

(I'm posting here via my 3G cellular datastick that my work issues me)

Is it true those things are very slow? My mom was talking about getting one but I read they are very slow.
 
I'm not really convinced more people would have been killed/hurt if not for the media going on & on & on about the dangers. People who want to take stupid risks aren't going to be swayed & may even be egged on by incessant talk of danger.

Better safe than sorry, I know. I was just a lil' disappointed is all.

I was disappointed myself. I got almost nothing here. My basement's slightly flooded, that's it.

Now up in Fairfield they're expecting the worst flooding in 30 years and are evacuating, in Caldwell there's a tree still blocking Bloomfield Ave. at 1am, and my brother who lives in town just a few short blocks from me lost power and PSE&G gave him an estimated time of Sept. 4th before it's fixed. (edit: should have power today the 29th so it's not all doom and gloom like right after the storm.)

There's enough damage even though none of it is "TV friendly" damage as I like to say. The Passaic River though will be interesting to see. I might try to drive there tomorrow. It floods a lot lately, but if this is supposed to be particularly bad I don't want to miss it.
 
Oh right, my fellow Bloomfieldian. I've actually been down in Pitman for a summer job but am moving back to Bloomfield in early Sept.
 
Is it true those things are very slow? My mom was talking about getting one but I read they are very slow.

3G is definitely slower than broadband, by an order of magnitude - 1Mbps up/down in very good circumstances. It is essentially halfway between broadband and a 56K dial-up modem connection. But, it's a whole lot better than nothing, when the broadband goes out. Also, they're slowly rolling out 4G/LTE in major metro areas, which does provide a rough equivalent to fair-to-middling broadband speeds.


And unrelated to that, I think they have to make mandatory evacuations "you are breaking the law if you hang around" so that civil authorities are legally absolved of blame/responsibility when you hang around and end up calling 911 and getting told 'so sorry you're SOL'.
 
The press hypes things. Because, you know, that's their nature. The government was preparing for a bad situation because in the past when they did not prepare for the worst, they ended up screwing up by the numbers. So saying that everyone was over reacting before the event really isn't fair.
 
Oh right, my fellow Bloomfieldian. I've actually been down in Pitman for a summer job but am moving back to Bloomfield in early Sept.

I don't think Bloomfield got hit bad at all. It's along the rivers and up in Bergen county that are in jeopardy, as usual.
 
Power is finally back after 46 hours.

This place is devastated. We got more than a foot of rain, you can't look anywhere without seeing downed trees. Trees so big two people holding hands couldn't wrap their arms around them are sitting on top of peoples' houses. A local dam overflowed and flooded a bunch of stuff downstream. Sewers are flooded, and there was a raw sewage problem on an island community in the county. Still, it could have been much, much worse.

At least the weather after the storm is the nicest we've had in months.

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EDIT: I live in St. Mary's County, in extreme southern Maryland.
 
Finally found my way back to CFC...

So far: Irene didn't do as much damage to us as Isabelle. It also didn't hurt the area as much, but only by comparing Irene to Isabelle do you get a number that does not say "OMG WTH 3,000 points of damage?!??!". We, as in my house specifically, did not get damaged as badly as other houses in the area or as badly as it was after Isabelle primarily due to the fact that A: my grandpa built this place to Cold War bomb paranoia standards and B: we used our experiences of Isabelle to prepare to face Irene.

Damage:
Minor flooding in Garage
lost one(1) of five(5) cars(unfortunately not the ancient junkheap)
lost power(probably until this weekend at least)
no injuries, no structural damage

Damage that WOULD have occurred if...
washed away-would have happened if we didn't live on a 40-foot cliff over the river
major basement flooding-would have happened if we hadn't spent all friday digging trenches and covering the window wells
car loss-would have happened if we'd left the Forte up near the cottage like we were planning to(downed power line)
structural damage-would have happened if the aforementioned grandfather hadn't built this place to withstand a nuke

Overall:
The area around us is devastated. no power, and fairly significant damage to basically everyone who isn't on our street.
Irene was a major, major threat despite not being as bad as Isabelle. Anyone who says it wasn't was A: lucky it didn't hurt them so badly and B: is blind to the suffering of others.

-Nukeknockout
 
The storm was not very good here and the neighbors didn't put clothes out that's why.
 
(...)Overall:
The area around us is devastated. no power, and fairly significant damage to basically everyone who isn't on our street.
Irene was a major, major threat despite not being as bad as Isabelle. Anyone who says it wasn't was A: lucky it didn't hurt them so badly and B: is blind to the suffering of others.

-Nukeknockout

Thanks for the report Nukeknockout, it should serve as a sober reminder to what we're dealing with here and the lessons you can learn from taking advice from previous experiences.

My impression of US hurricane expertise and it's ties into federal emergency managment is that it's the best in the world. Anyone saying that they're crying wolf is ignoring the many generations of eperience from living at the receiving end of the busiest extreme weather zone in the world called Hurricane Alley.
 
Connecticut still has over 600,000 people without power. And not all will get it back for 3-4 days by estimate. It's around 1/6 the state population. There may not have been a lot of deaths. But the property damage is still pretty huge. And there's still more flooding going on.
 
Yeah, we've still got around 1/5 - 1/4 of the state without power, two of my aunts have been told by the power company that it may be more than a week before they're plugged back in. My workplace has no power, luckily my house is still plugged in.
 
The two Florida deaths from the hurricane are being disputed by some.

Trees toppling on homes. Fires sparked by downed power lines. A woman trapped in a flooded car.

Those were some of the factors in the growing death toll from Hurricane Irene, which totaled 40 in 11 states Monday.

Two Florida deaths were among them.

In New Smyrna Beach, a 55-year-old surfer died after he was thrown from his board in the massive waves, and in north Florida, a 55-year-old New Jersey tourist drowned wading in rough surf.

Tragic as they were, how were these deaths attributed to a hurricane that didn't hit Florida?

It's a question for each county medical examiner and for the state emergency officials who report the final toll. Those numbers, they acknowledge, are somewhat subjective.

Bill Pellan, the Pinellas-Pasco medical examiner's director of investigations, said he would not count the surfer and swimmer as hurricane-related deaths.

"We've had people cleaning debris out of gutters and fall off of roofs after a hurricane passes," Pellan said. "There's some subjectivity there. Some medical examiners' offices will say that's hurricane-related, but we would not."

The National Hurricane Center typically lists a "direct" and "indirect" fatalities count for each hurricane, but those numbers can be confusing. Direct deaths are likely to be those caused by falling debris or flood drownings. But indirect can mean anything from a heart attack brought on by the stress of a hurricane to carbon monoxide poisoning due to faulty use of power generator.

Although Florida's east coast did feel the effects of Irene as it passed by, the conditions were not unusual. Volusia County's beaches saw 6-foot surf on Saturday, but waves that size come about roughly 50 times a year, said Kevin Sweat, the director of the Division of Beach Safety for the county.

Those waves may have led to the death of the 55-year-old experienced surfer whose death was included among those killed by Irene. But Sweat wouldn't necessarily call it a hurricane death.

"I mean, he hit his head on the bottom," Sweat said. "That can happen any day you go out surfing when there are big waves."
And tourists who can't swim drown all the time wading in the Atlantic surf, whether there is a hurricane offshore or not.

Two national guard trucks almost completely underwater with the inevitable result:


Link to video.
 
Oh, hey, my numbers were totally wrong. At the peak, 59% of Rhode Island was without power, today it's down to 28%. People are hilariously pissed off about it. Many of them probably are also pissed off at the "sensationalism" surrounding the storm.
 
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