man's flag confiscated for a day for flying it upside-down.

[useless]

Assault under our laws is assaulting another person. The problem is illegals are protected under the law offically. By nature they are actully criminals and are not protected under US law. Nice loophole there actully. Look at the past cases people who are violent to aliens tend to get let off with a warning. What wrong with attacking a criminal, to me an illegal is just as dangrous as serial killer.

Right, even though the American economy relies on cheap labour?

 

[candle]

Justice Robert Jackson, West Virginia v. Barnette (1943):



candle:



Cleo

well if there to uphold popular opion, when have the American people ever condoned or supported the burning a flag. You just proved my point the Supreme court went agasint the popular view for there own means to appease a minority that actully has no say on national laws because they are not in the Majority

 

[Zack]

Burning the flag is no diffrent than burning the white house

to me an illegal is just as dangrous as serial killer.

Now I won't be surprised at anything you say.

 

[Red Door]

Assault under our laws is assaulting another person. The problem is illegals are protected under the law offically. By nature they are actully criminals and are not protected under US law. Nice loophole there actully. Look at the past cases people who are violent to aliens tend to get let off with a warning. What wrong with attacking a criminal, to me an illegal is just as dangrous as serial killer.

I better alert the authorities on those illegal gardeners in my neighbor's yard. I noticed one of them holding a sniper rifle and pointing it at children.

 

[candle]

Right, even though the American economy relies on cheap labour?

The American people can provide such labor themselves, there are millions of Americans out of work, and thousands of illegals working. I see a problem here. Our econmic crisis is because of these people. They seek to better there life through the destruction of American culture, ecnomey and the american people. What right do they have to work in our nation when our own people cant find work do tell me where that right was ever written

 

[cardgame]

Freedom of speech is speech

I BEG TO DIFFER

The flag of the United States is sometimes symbolically burnt, often in protest of the policies of the American government, both within the country and abroad. The United States Supreme Court has ruled that, due to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, it is unconstitutional for a government (whether federal, state, or municipality) to prohibit the desecration of a flag, due to its status as "symbolic speech."

 

[Bill3000]

Freedom of speech is speech, as in verbally saying something, you cant to say something wrong about America be my guest but dont burn national symbols.

No, freedom of speech does not just include verbal speech, it includes written speech, symbolic speech, etc. Most forms of expression are constitutionally called speech.

Burning the flag is no diffrent than burning the white house for your freedom of speech. In truth the freedom of speech has gone so far, anything is game to prove your point. But speech is verbal, not symbolic, i bet if you asked the founding fathers what they meant they'd flat out say the right to speak agasint tyranny, to print to protest. I highly doubt they would say burning national symbols was included.

Nope, they would, and that's irrelevant as symbolic speech is clearly protected, not just verbal speech, and it's been that way since the beginning of our nation. They would agree with Voltaire - they would find it absolutely offensive, but they would defend to the death the offender's right to burn it.

By your defination burning the US consition and bill of rights because I dont agree with it, is also right. No you sir do not understand what a patriot it, a patriot stands up for the nation agasint the odds and popularity, and a patriot supports his nation above his own life. The Supreme court has done more harm to the bill of rights and the American dream than any other event past or present ever did

Burning a copy of the US constitution and bill of rights because you don't agree with it is perfectly constitutional. You're mistaking what is offensive with what is legal.

A prerequisite for patriotism within the United States is to agree with the fundamental principles of what our great nation stands for. One of these is the fundamental human right of freedom of speech, possibly the most fundamental right of our nation. If you don't, then you're not a patriot.

well if there to uphold popular opion, when have the American people ever condoned or supported the burning a flag. You just proved my point the Supreme court went agasint the popular view for there own means to appease a minority that actully has no say on national laws because they are not in the Majority

One of the fundamental principles of our nation is the protection of the minority against the will of the majority.

Assault under our laws is assaulting another person. The problem is illegals are protected under the law offically. By nature they are actully criminals and are not protected under US law. Nice loophole there actully. Look at the past cases people who are violent to aliens tend to get let off with a warning. What wrong with attacking a criminal, to me an illegal is just as dangrous as serial killer.

Criminals are protected under US law, and non-citizens are protected under US law when it is within US juristiction.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Note that it says person, not citizen, not lawful citizen, nothing. Person. If it is human, and it is in jurisdiction of the United States of America, no state (or federal) government may deprive a man of those rights. As for attacking another criminal, it's wrong because it's illegal and immoral.

By the fact that you don't comprehend the constitution, even in just the plain text, you're not a patriot. If you assault another person in blatant disregard for the law, you are not a patriot.

 

[cardgame]

The American people can provide such labor themselves

So you would support lowering the minimum wage?

 

[useless]

The American people can provide such labor themselves, there are millions of Americans out of work, and thousands of illegals working. I see a problem here. Our econmic crisis is because of these people. They seek to better there life through the destruction of American culture, ecnomey and the american people. What right do they have to work in our nation when our own people cant find work do tell me where that right was ever written

It could also be because American's aren't very pro-active. I'ts Ironic that the American way of life is being destroyed by immigrints..

 

[Zelig]

The American people can provide such labor themselves, there are millions of Americans out of work, and thousands of illegals working.

So, the obvious solution is for these millions of people to take those thousands of minimum wage jobs!

 

[uppi]

no im a patriot and why, because that flag has blood of men in it, Men who fought and died to keep this nation intact. The blood of the fallen are in that flag, and your disrepecting the sacrafice every American service man has made to defend it.

You are disrespecting all the men and women, who have helped to defend America (which does include me, btw, although I am no American) by tying their work to some piece of cloth. The idea of America is much greater than a simple flag and if every single American flag was burned, there would still be no harm to the actual idea.

If your obsession about flags is so great, that you're willing to sacrifice one of the very principles America was founded on - that is free speech - then you are doing more harm to America than anyone disrespecting the American flag.

 

[candle]

No, freedom of speech does not just include verbal speech, it includes written speech, symbolic speech, etc. Most forms of expression are constitutionally called speech.


Nope, they would, and that's irrelevant as symbolic speech is clearly protected, not just verbal speech, and it's been that way since the beginning of our nation. They would agree with Voltaire - they would find it absolutely offensive, but they would defend to the death the offender's right to burn it.



Burning a copy of the US constitution and bill of rights because you don't agree with it is perfectly constitutional. You're mistaking what is offensive with what is legal.

A prerequisite for patriotism within the United States is to agree with the fundamental principles of what our great nation stands for. One of these is the fundamental human right of freedom of speech, possibly the most fundamental right of our nation. If you don't, then you're not a patriot.


One of the fundamental principles of our nation is the protection of the minority against the will of the majority.

wrong again, I defend our nation as it was founded in 1783, what this place is now on the other hand I dont have alot of care nor concern, we are so far away from the American dream you cant recognize it from the original dream that it was. I will continue to live my life as our government was setup in 1783. Because I am a patriot and what I want to see is a return to real nation, the great nation we once where. Go compare the US Pre1860 to America post 1865. Its not the same nation

 

[useless]

wrong again, I defend our nation as it was founded in 1783, what this place is now on the other hand I dont have alot of care nor concern, we are so far away from the American dream you cant recognize it from the original dream that it was. I will continue to live my life as our government was setup in 1783. Because I am a patriot and what I want to see is a return to real nation, the great nation we once where. Go compare the US Pre1860 to America post 1865. Its not the same nation

How exactly is America a "great nation"? It's just another nation, out of the 100's that exist. And yes it is still the same nation.

 

[cardgame]

wrong again, I defend our nation as it was founded in 1783, what this place is now on the other hand I dont have alot of care nor concern, we are so far away from the American dream you cant recognize it from the original dream that it was. I will continue to live my life as our government was setup in 1783. Because I am a patriot and what I want to see is a return to real nation, the great nation we once where. Go compare the US Pre1860 to America post 1865. Its not the same nation

Um...

You don't support the United States Constitution then.

You support the Articles of Confederation.

wow... Maybe this explains your anti-free speech attitude?

 

[candle]

No, freedom of speech does not just include verbal speech, it includes written speech, symbolic speech, etc. Most forms of expression are constitutionally called speech.


Nope, they would, and that's irrelevant as symbolic speech is clearly protected, not just verbal speech, and it's been that way since the beginning of our nation. They would agree with Voltaire - they would find it absolutely offensive, but they would defend to the death the offender's right to burn it.



Burning a copy of the US constitution and bill of rights because you don't agree with it is perfectly constitutional. You're mistaking what is offensive with what is legal.

A prerequisite for patriotism within the United States is to agree with the fundamental principles of what our great nation stands for. One of these is the fundamental human right of freedom of speech, possibly the most fundamental right of our nation. If you don't, then you're not a patriot.


One of the fundamental principles of our nation is the protection of the minority against the will of the majority.


Criminals are protected under US law, and non-citizens are protected under US law when it is within US juristiction.


Note that it says person, not citizen, not lawful citizen, nothing. Person. If it is human, and it is in jurisdiction of the United States of America, no state (or federal) government may deprive a man of those rights. As for attacking another criminal, it's wrong because it's illegal and immoral.

By the fact that you don't comprehend the constitution, even in just the plain text, you're not a patriot.

any state, it doesnt say any person cant, any state cant. They are not protected from personal attack only statelevel attacks. Its right there in your bold font.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Go compare the US Pre1860 to America post 1865. Its not the same nation

You are right. You can no longer own people. I see this fundamental change still upsets you over 140 years after the fact.

How exactly is America a "great nation"? It's just another nation, out of the 100's that exist. And yes it is still the same nation.

Don't you go dissing the US of A like that. If you don't believer this is true, you must leave wherever it is you live now and move someplace else.

 

[candle]

How exactly is America a "great nation"? It's just another nation, out of the 100's that exist. And yes it is still the same nation.

not really. Pre Civil war we where a representative democracy ideas but every person had a say in everything. After the Civil war we became a republic. With the people have zero if any actual say in what goes on. This was decided because of the south, to protect the Union as a whole after the war ended, but it fundemently changed America. No longer did we have an equal say, no longer could we actully protest to get the laws changed, from that point forward we relied on our represenitives to do so, and most of the time they dont live up to there promise. So no America isnt America anymore

 

[Bill3000]

wrong again, I defend our nation as it was founded in 1783, what this place is now on the other hand I dont have alot of care nor concern, we are so far away from the American dream you cant recognize it from the original dream that it was. I will continue to live my life as our government was setup in 1783. Because I am a patriot and what I want to see is a return to real nation, the great nation we once where. Go compare the US Pre1860 to America post 1865. Its not the same nation

Okay then, but that just means that you're not a patriot because you have a blatant disregard for the constitutional amendment process and the rule of law which our nation was founded upon. One of the fundamental concepts of our nation is that it can be changed. You must respect that process, and abide by what our constitution says, including its changes, or you are not a patriot.

any state, it doesnt say any person cant, any state cant. They are not protected from personal attack only statelevel attacks. Its right there in your bold font

You said earlier that assault is legally defined as assaulting any person.

not really. Pre Civil war we where a representative democracy ideas but every person had a say in everything. After the Civil war we became a republic. With the people have zero if any actual say in what goes on.

Dude, the founding fathers hated democracy and hated the tyranny of the masses. We were a republic from the very beginning. You're not a patriot for not knowing basic 2nd grade history.

 

[cardgame]

any state, it doesnt say any person cant, any state cant. They are not protected from personal attack only statelevel attacks. Its right there in your bold font.

by state here, he means the state's laws and such....



It's still illegal.

 

[useless]

not really. Pre Civil war we where a representative democracy ideas but every person had a say in everything. After the Civil war we became a republic. With the people have zero if any actual say in what goes on. This was decided because of the south, to protect the Union as a whole after the war ended, but it fundemently changed America. No longer did we have an equal say, no longer could we actully protest to get the laws changed, from that point forward we relied on our represenitives to do so, and most of the time they dont live up to there promise. So no America isnt America anymore

Because you no longer own slaves?