man's flag confiscated for a day for flying it upside-down.

[candle]

No, those are etiquette instructions, not enforceable laws. Arresting you for doing so is unconstitutional.

how so, the consititon gives you the right to demonstrate within the law and to freedom of speech. The flag is a protected national symbol, its not just some random thing, any flag that is cirtified by the US government, not the ones you buy at walmart but the real ones are federally protected very much like the Constition or bill of rights.

 

[Zack]

Off topic, I ed at the "who's tessa holt?" tag.

candle, how stupid does an illegal have to be to call the police?

 

[Bill3000]

how so, the consititon gives you the right to demonstrate within the law and to freedom of speech. The flag is a protected national symbol, its not just some random thing, any flag that is cirtified by the US government, not the ones you buy at walmart but the real ones are federally protected very much like the Constition or bill of rights.

Because burning, defacing, etc. the flag is symbolic speech, and symbolic speech is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution. See [wiki]Texas v. Johnson[/wiki] and [wiki]United States v. Eichman[/wiki].

 

[Lillefix]

Good god...what about rolling your eyes and ignore whatever people do to your precious flag.

 

[Formaldehyde]

really ok then if thats how you view a flag then I can honestly say you have no national pride.

No, it means he knows the difference between personal opinion and the law.

They burned a Texas flag to protest, me and about 20 friends went over there and put out the flag kick'd those peoples asses then took that flag and buried it.

Congratulations for admitting to what is likely at least one felony and likely a hate crime to boot.

We got a stern verbal warning.

Some Texas policemen are bigoted idiots who aren't terribly interested in upholding the law? I had no idea.

 

[uppi]

Would you be offended if I spit on your country's flag and crapped all over it?

No. I'd wonder why you would hate my country and then probably be honored that my country did something right to piss off a lunatic like you (Not saying that you are a lunatic, but if you did such a thing I would consider you one)

really ok then if thats how you view a flag then I can honestly say you have no national pride, but let me put it this way there was a flag burner in my neighborhood, a mexian family protesting the harsh new laws texas put into effect handling illeagals. They burned a Texas flag to protest, me and about 20 friends went over there and put out the flag kick'd those peoples asses then took that flag and buried it. I feel very strongly about my flags. And the 2 flags you dont f with are the American Flags and the Lone Star, either one will incur my wrath. And yes the called the police, guess who went to jail the family that burned the flag because there Visa's where expired. We got a stern verbal warning.

So we have established that you're crazy about flags, and there isn't much justice where you are, but you still haven't told me the why.

 

[candle]

Off topic, I ed at the "who's tessa holt?" tag.

candle, how stupid does an illegal have to be to call the police?

they dont think there gonna get in trouble for some reason

Because burning, defacing, etc. the flag is symbolic speech, and symbolic speech is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution. See [wiki]Texas v. Johnson[/wiki] and [wiki]United States v. Eichman[/wiki].

And that is why we private citizens will still kick your ass for doing so. I consider it a protected national land mark and i will enforce those guidelines myself if need be. Im a patriot not a flag burning pile of dog . .. .. .. .. My view is if you cant respect the American flag you have no bussiness in this nation, go back to europe or what ever rock your family crawled out of when they came here, your no longer welcome. Your speech isnt free, men fought and died for it, and if you cant respect the nation, then GTFO i say

 

[candle]

No. I'd wonder why you would hate my country and then probably be honored that my country did something right to piss off a lunatic like you (Not saying that you are a lunatic, but if you did such a thing I would consider you one)



So we have established that you're crazy about flags, and there isn't much justice where you are, but you still haven't told me the why.

no im a patriot and why, because that flag has blood of men in it, Men who fought and died to keep this nation intact. The blood of the fallen are in that flag, and your disrepecting the sacrafice every American service man has made to defend it.

 

[useless]

they dont think there gonna get in trouble for some reason


And that is why we private citizens will still kick your ass for doing so. I consider it a protected national land mark and i will enforce those guidelines myself if need be. Im a patriot not a flag burning pile of dog . .. .. .. .. My view is if you cant respect the American flag you have no bussiness in this nation, go back to europe or what ever rock your family crawled out of when they came here, your no longer welcome. Your speech isnt free, men fought and died for it, and if you cant respect the nation, then GTFO i say

"Freedom isn't free.. now there's a hefty ****in' fee..." Sorry. Coudn't resist myself..

 

[cardgame]

And that is why we private citizens will still kick your ass for doing so.

And that is why we private citizens will still sue your ass for doing so.

edit: @ the hatriot tag

 

[candle]

No, it means he knows the difference between personal opinion and the law.

Congratulations for admitting to what is likely at least one felony and likely a hate crime to boot.

Some Texas policemen are bigoted idiots who aren't terribly interested in upholding the law? I had no idea.

hate crime nope, if i wanted to do that id have burned the Mexican flag for them. Wasnt a hate crime, I wont tolerate anyone doing that, I beat the hell out my brother for burning a flag, wasnt race related but I was quite happy to see them shipped back to Mexico where they belong. And texas police arnt currupt they just no right from wrong.

 

[West 36]

no im a patriot and why, because that flag has blood of men in it, Men who fought and died to keep this nation intact. The blood of the fallen are in that flag, and your disrepecting the sacrafice every American service man has made to defend it.

OH MY GOD. Wash that damned thing man, ew.

 

[Zack]

No. I'd wonder why you would hate my country and then probably be honored that my country did something right to piss off a lunatic like you (Not saying that you are a lunatic, but if you did such a thing I would consider you one)

Yes, if I did that you would have every right to call me any name you wanted to.

they dont think there gonna get in trouble for some reason

They're idiots.

 

[Bill3000]

And that is why we private citizens will still kick your ass for doing so. I consider it a protected national land mark and i will enforce those guidelines myself if need be. Im a patriot not a flag burning pile of dog poop My view is if you cant respect the American flag you have no bussiness in this nation, go back to europe or what ever rock your family crawled out of when they came here, your no longer welcome. Your speech isnt free, men fought and died for it, and if you cant respect the nation, then GTFO i say

Nope. Sorry. If you don't support the first amendment, you're not a patriot. You can be absolutely disgusted with what a person's speech is, while defending to the death their right to say it. If you try to suppress their protected speech by committing a crime, you're not a patriot, sorry.

And texas police arnt currupt they just no right from wrong.

Pretty sure that Texan police should know what the crime of assault is, and that it is wrong.

 

[candle]

Nope. Sorry. If you don't support the first amendment, you're not a patriot. You can be absolutely disgusted with what a person's speech is, while defending to the death their right to say it. If you try to suppress their protected speech by committing a crime, you're not a patriot, sorry.

Freedom of speech is speech, as in verbally saying something, you cant to say something wrong about America be my guest but dont burn national symbols. Burning the flag is no diffrent than burning the white house for your freedom of speech. In truth the freedom of speech has gone so far, anything is game to prove your point. But speech is verbal, not symbolic, i bet if you asked the founding fathers what they meant they'd flat out say the right to speak agasint tyranny, to print to protest. I highly doubt they would say burning national symbols was included.

By your defination burning the US consition and bill of rights because I dont agree with it, is also right. No you sir do not understand what a patriot it, a patriot stands up for the nation agasint the odds and popularity, and a patriot supports his nation above his own life. The Supreme court has done more harm to the bill of rights and the American dream than any other event past or present ever did

 

[Zack]

Burning the flag is no diffrent than burning the white house

You're joking, right?

 

[useless]

Freedom of speech is speech, as in verbally saying something, you cant to say something wrong about America be my guest but dont burn national symbols. Burning the flag is no diffrent than burning the white house for your freedom of speech. In truth the freedom of speech has gone so far, anything is game to prove your point. But speech is verbal, not symbolic, i bet if you asked the founding fathers what they meant they'd flat out say the right to speak agasint tyranny, to print to protest. I highly doubt they would say burning national symbols was included.

By your defination burning the US consition and bill of rights because I dont agree with it, is also right. No you sir do not understand what a patriot it, a patriot stands up for the nation agasint the odds and popularity, and a patriot supports his nation above his own life. The Supreme court has done more harm to the bill of rights and the American dream than any other event past or present ever did

I'm pretty sure the White house is a building, not a flag.

 

[I'm Cleo!]

Justice Robert Jackson, West Virginia v. Barnette (1943):

Struggles to coerce uniformity of sentiment in support of some end thought essential to their time and country have been waged by many good, as well as by evil, men. Nationalism is a relatively recent phenomenon, but, at other times and places, the ends have been racial or territorial security, support of a dynasty or regime, and particular plans for saving souls. As first and moderate methods to attain unity have failed, those bent on its accomplishment must resort to an ever-increasing severity. As governmental pressure toward unity becomes greater, so strife becomes more bitter as to whose unity it shall be. Probably no deeper division of our people could proceed from any provocation than from finding it necessary to choose what doctrine and whose program public educational officials shall compel youth to unite in embracing. Ultimate futility of such attempts to compel coherence is the lesson of every such effort from the Roman drive to stamp out Christianity as a disturber of its pagan unity, the Inquisition, as a means to religious and dynastic unity, the Siberian exiles as a means to Russian unity, down to the fast failing efforts of our present totalitarian enemies. Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.

It seems trite but necessary to say that the First Amendment to our Constitution was designed to avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings. There is no mysticism in the American concept of the State or of the nature or origin of its authority. We set up government by consent of the governed, and the Bill of Rights denies those in power any legal opportunity to coerce that consent. Authority here is to be controlled by public opinion, not public opinion by authority.

The case is made difficult not because the principles of its decision are obscure, but because the flag involved is our own. Nevertheless, we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous, instead of a compulsory routine, is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.

candle:

Your speech isnt free

Cleo

 

[candle]

Nope. Sorry. If you don't support the first amendment, you're not a patriot. You can be absolutely disgusted with what a person's speech is, while defending to the death their right to say it. If you try to suppress their protected speech by committing a crime, you're not a patriot, sorry.


Pretty sure that Texan police should know what the crime of assault is, and that it is wrong.

Assault under our laws is assaulting another person. The problem is illegals are protected under the law offically. By nature they are actully criminals and are not protected under US law. Nice loophole there actully. Look at the past cases people who are violent to aliens tend to get let off with a warning. What wrong with attacking a criminal, to me an illegal is just as dangrous as serial killer.

 

[Red Door]

Freedom of speech is speech, as in verbally saying something, you cant to say something wrong about America be my guest but dont burn national symbols. Burning the flag is no diffrent than burning the white house for your freedom of speech. In truth the freedom of speech has gone so far, anything is game to prove your point. But speech is verbal, not symbolic, i bet if you asked the founding fathers what they meant they'd flat out say the right to speak agasint tyranny, to print to protest. I highly doubt they would say burning national symbols was included.

By your defination burning the US consition and bill of rights because I dont agree with it, is also right. No you sir do not understand what a patriot it, a patriot stands up for the nation agasint the odds and popularity, and a patriot supports his nation above his own life. The Supreme court has done more harm to the bill of rights and the American dream than any other event past or present ever did

I'm glad you are using your First Amendment rights to wrongly interpret the First Amendment.