mass murderer brutally executed in Iran

[King Alexander]

For every six prisoners executed since the reinstatement of the US death penalty, one innocent person was condemned to die and later exonerated.

1 innocent out of 6??? Something must be VERY WRONG here...

 

[The Last Conformist]

What argument, I was asking E-Raser a question. I don't need you to point
out anything. Maybe something IS wrong with me, not agreeing with you.

You used one of the standard arguments from the pro-capital punishment crowd. You can't reasonably expect me to think anything but that you meant it as an argument for CP. And whether you did or did not, the "Yay" post still doesn't make any sense.

 

[King Alexander]

I'm not very familiar with death penalties and the trials they go through, since we haven't death penalties here.

This is also concerning to me(the quote from my last post), because if from 6 convicted criminals for death penalty, 1 is innocent, that MEANS that the same analogy could be applied to 'normal' convictions as well!!! Meaning, Justice doesn't work well!

 

[~Corsair#01~]

That's true. But it still costs the system more, on the average. If your solution is to not give people a chance to appeal, then we're gonna quickly fall down a very slippery slope.

I just suggest limiting the appeals process, not doing away with it altogether.

 

[dgfred]

You used one of the standard arguments from the pro-capital punishment crowd. You can't reasonably expect me to think anything but that you meant it as an argument for CP. And whether you did or did not, the "Yay" post still doesn't make any sense.

Yes, I am with the 'eye for an eye' crowd. How many children do you have.
If none- wait and pop off when you do. It was not meant as an arguement,
but as a question to E-Raser. In your case I guess we would have to decide
whether to execute you after you executed the rapist/killer, or let you rot
in jail. If making sense was a requirement of posting, I would be postless.

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

What would be your position should your daughter or son be raped and killed by some maniac? Would your 'tune' change?

I know this is directed at someone else, but as someone with 3 kids (1 girl, 2 boys) and 1 granddaughter, I can say my attitude would not change about the death penalty. Life in prison is a much better option. We can degenerate to the level of the evil ones or be civilized. I choose civilized. I've seen enough of the other in my world travels.

 

[dgfred]

I know this is directed at someone else, but as someone with 3 kids (1 girl, 2 boys) and 1 granddaughter, I can say my attitude would not change about the death penalty. Life in prison is a much better option. We can degenerate to the level of the evil ones or be civilized. I choose civilized. I've seen enough of the other in my world travels.

Great post. I see your position and respect it, though I don't agree . I
have ALWAYS had a problem with revenging a wrong .

 

[The Last Conformist]

Yes, I am with the 'eye for an eye' crowd. How many children do you have.
If none- wait and pop off when you do.

I do not have any children. That doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion as to whether those who rape and kill children should be executed or not.

If making sense was a requirement of posting, I would be postless.

Maybe that would've been the best for all concerned.

 

[dgfred]

I do not have any children. That doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion as to whether those who rape and kill children should be executed or not.

Maybe that would've been the best for all concerned.

You are so clever.
Thanks for your opinion, we all wanted to know. Maybe it is best that we
post and don't really know each other, for your sake.
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[WickedSmurf]

Crimes like this.... It's sickening. What he deserve and does not deserve is not for me to decide, though I am not complaining of what he got. Childmolestors... Well, come to think of it, kill 'em all.

And for that popular Dostoyevsky quote... It is with that one as it is with other old quotes; it's up to you to let them make sense or not. Just because someone old/famous/intellectual/whatever-impresses-you said something does not make it an absolute truth.

 

[Falcon02]

i dont consider the death penalty dealt out in the us as humane, with the chair setting people on fire, while they are still alive and stuff..

"The Chair" has practically been abandoned, only a few chairs still operate. Practically all of US executions are by lethal injection, and even so many states don't actually execute those condemned to death, MD was execution free for like a decade until recently. And that wasn't from a lack of people on death row, one of those things where no one wants to really push the button.

Anyway, I feel the biggest flaws in the Pro-capital punishment argument is the imperfection of the Justice system. However, letting a man, who has brutally murdered numerous innocent children, live a long life, where his every need is provided by the state, seems lacking in justice.

As such, I personally find myself on the fence on this issue.

 

[Jawz II]

i know the chair isnt as popular anymore, i just used it as an example to make a point, most people have heard about the excutions gone very wrong with the chair

the lethal injection and gas chamber, no one knows if they are painfull or not, doctors say it can be very painfull

i dont understand all the eloberate schemes to kill a person, ffs, 1 round to the brain and get it the hell over with, why make it take a long time?

and for the love of love making, give those people alittle goddamn privacy
what the hell is point of the morons (witnesses) watching in america?

id be like, will you excuse me? im about to die! i really cant hang out with you all right now, bad timing!

 

[The Last Conformist]

You are so clever.
Thanks for your opinion, we all wanted to know. Maybe it is best that we
post and don't really know each other, for your sake.

I'm sure your antics provide you with an ample access to enemies IRL too.

Feel free to have the last word; I'm done with this.

 

[Yom]

Actually, it normally costs about ten times as much to execute a criminal as it does to imprison one.

Not if you do it right.

 

[Yom]

I'm sure your antics provide you with an ample access to enemies IRL too.

Feel free to have the last word; I'm done with this.

Why should the death penalty be never used, provided that there is unequivocal proof that the defendant is guilty?

 

[The Last Conformist]

Why should the death penalty be never used, provided that there is unequivocal proof that the defendant is guilty?

Why not ask this in reply to a post of mine that actually deals with the question, rather than one from my little quarrel with dgfred?

Anyway, I disagree with killing people. I do not think that an-eye-for-an-eye is a good idea.

 

[CurtSibling]

Actually, it normally costs about ten times as much to execute a criminal as it does to imprison one.

Not with a single bullet to the head it doesn't.

Death row is a waste of time.

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[Yom]

Why not ask this in reply to a post of mine that actually deals with the question, rather than one from my little quarrel with dgfred?

It was the most recent and I didn't feel like hitting the back button.

Anyway, I disagree with killing people. I do not think that an-eye-for-an-eye is a good idea.

That I know already. I'm simply asking for some justification.

 

[The Last Conformist]

That I know already. I'm simply asking for some justification.

Justification?

All morality eventually boils down to that we think that some things are right and some things are not. One of the things I hold to be simply wrong is killing people. It can thus only be justified if it prevents a greater evil, which is not the situation in the normal CP scenario.

 

[CurtSibling]

I'd like to see you announce that lofty morality to a mass killer who slaughtered your family.

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