Maxine Waters up for expulsion when?

No no. I mean more "blacks" vs "the blacks" vs "black people." I seem to remember "the blacks" or "the jews" being callous for some reason. And I actually mostly want "white" american opinion on it. That's who I'd run afoul of on manners, in vast likelihood. I find very few opportunities to do the talking when the topic comes to being black, with black people. I mean sure. It touches everything, but what are you going to do? Yammer on about that, then!
 
Always seems the noun is more offensive than the adjective. One identifies, the other describes.

But I'm having trouble with it as well. And added to that, if you ask one black person what he or she liked to be called, than you have the preference of that one black person. If you assume all black people want to be called that way, you're generalising and you .... run away shouting apologies I guess.

Best bet is to call every one Dave. Chances are you're also wrong, but the conversation will lead to introductions and a more pleasant conversation.
 
I'm not your Dave, Chet.
 
This graph shows that the odds of being killed by police are roughly comparable between white people living in the highest-poverty census tracts and black people living in the lowest-poverty tracts. And while we also see a strong class effect here (poor people have a far higher risk of being killed by the police) it's also clear that what we might call "institutional racism" is at play.

There aint much difference between the poorest and wealthiest Latinos and I'll bet thats true for Asians. So the biggest differences are for black and white people. How do these other races avoid the institutional racism of cops? Poor people have a higher risk of violent encounters because the cops aint knocking doors down in Beverly Hills looking for drugs. If Hollywood and Wall St were treated to no knock raids and lengthy prison sentences we'd see an end to the drug war.

Poverty aint driving this, a half century long drug war waged largely in black communities did this and your graphs prove it. Course with all those fathers carted off to prison Uncle Sam had to support their families and single mother house holds increased. Joe Biden's drug war did that and he cries crocodile tears over 'racist cops'. What were the homicide rates in 1960 under Jim Crow? What were they in 1980 or 1990? I have to believe the KKK would approve of Joe's drug war.

The numbers for Hispanics are not particularly relevant to a discussion about racism because Hispanic in the US is a category that overlaps racial boundaries. Many Hispanic people in the United States are white, as has been explained to you many times.

Are those white Hispanics more likely to check white than Latino? Maybe your graph will help us put a little focus on that overlap. Would you agree the rate is lower for the poorest Latinos compared with both black and white people? If racism and poverty was the problem we should see Hispanics up there with black people. The graphs dont mention Asians but I suspect they're lower than everyone.

Who was the target of Nixon's drug war? Hippies and black people. The hippies grew up and black communities became ground zero for decades of black market violence and increasingly militarized police looking for drugs. Maybe there's a stat for unjustified deaths per encounter. Given crime rates and where the laws are strictly enforced I'd expect more encounters between cops of any color with black people. It wont matter if an all black police force was waging the drug war, black market violence increases police violence in a vicious cycle.


So how many innocent unarmed black people were murdered by racist cops in 2019? How many does it take to justify attacking other cops for 'institutional racism'? This is the fraud with BLM, they know the drug war is responsible for the mayhem but they cant blame the Democrats. Bill Clinton and Joe Biden gave us 100,000 cops on the streets and crime bills to enforce mostly in poor communities, poor black communities. And they did it with the blessing of the congressional black caucus.

Now, I'm going to make a final point in this post which is what happens when we compare these police killings to airline accidents. Imagine if there was a large group of psychos who, after every airline crash where no one was really found to be at fault and preventable deaths happened because of bad systems, would claim that pilots, ground crew, ground controllers, whomever, acted reasonably under the circumstances, and plus the passengers were probably not innocent and they chose to fly on the airplane and they knew the risks, so we really don't need to change anything, let's move along, nothing to see here. I don't think it'd take too long before no one would fly anymore.

Treating police deaths the way we treat airline accidents (and here is where I admit I sort of stole this idea from a conversation with my mom) is actually of greater moral urgency because while you could choose not to fly, you can't choose not to be policed. Bad systems lead to death, spare no expense to change system in a way that will not result in future deaths. It's really not rocket science, as long as you're not ingrained in the idea that some people's lives....don't, uh...matter

And, finally finally, the above of course applies to situations where the police don't just sadistically murder people for basically no reason.

Can you choose to not pick up a knife and attack people? You're comparing the risk of boarding a plane to swinging a knife at innocent people in the presence of cops with guns (I think). What would you have changed about this Ohio shooting? Sometimes... sometimes the cop either pulls the trigger or watches the innocent die. Should he have watched? If he had a taser too, which one does he use? Rubber or lead bullet? Shout of intimidation failed.
 
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That's not a lie about institutional racism. You did read the report right? But it went on to conclude there was constitutional racism in the police force.

How can this be? How can a report that exonerates Wilson conclude institutional racism in the same investigation? Boggles the mind doesn't it?

Now this should have been the part where you quote Maxime Waters telling lies about institutional racism.

Why does that conclusion justify lying about the cop? What does it have to do with whether or not he murdered Michael Brown? The report exonerated him, hands up, dont shoot was a lie. I did quote her, I quoted BLM, I quoted all those people who lied about that cop. A lie to smear him as a murderer to show institutional racism. Hands up, dont shoot was about another racist cop murdering an innocent black man, not complaints about Ferguson's police force.

Will it surprise you to learn people, especially Bezerker, are way off with their guesses?

I was off too, I overestimated the number of innocent unarmed black people killed by cops. Not nearly as much as Democrats though.

:lol:

How many unarmed black people were killed by cops in 2019? How many unarmed black people were killed by cops in 2019? How many unarmed black people were killed by cops in 2019?

How many of them were innocent? You guys are claiming institutional racism and you cant tell us?

Uhm ... they weren't innocent? :shifty:

Unarmed people have attacked cops and died in the process, Michael Brown attacked a cop twice. Thats why I'm asking about innocent unarmed people. People who were neither armed or attacking cops. It looks to me like there might be a handful of cases with maybe one or two involving racist cops. Maybe. All that BS to smear cops and blame them for the institutional racism and results of the Democrat's drug war.
 
So, how about showing the lie about institutional racism for a change? And no, you did not quote her on that.

By the way, did you know you can be racist without shooting anyone?

True story.
 
I think we should have a Congressional Boot-Out Draft.

Rules: each party can choose to expel a member of the opposition, but must accept an offer from the opposing party of one of their own party’s members. House and Senate play by the same rules but there are no cross-nominations; furthermore, those in the positions of Speaker, Maj. Leader et. al. are off limits. Each party will also be allowed to veto some removals.
 
If you can protect the leaders, there is no point.
 
Are those white Hispanics more likely to check white than Latino?

Okay, I'll try one more time:
Persons who report themselves as Hispanic can be of any race and are identified as such in our data tables.

What would you have changed about this Ohio shooting?

I don't know, similarly to how I wouldn't know where to start if you asked me to audit an airline crash. I'm not an expert on police procedure. What I want to see is an effort made to avoid unnecessary loss of life. If an actual investigation were conducted, and I could have confidence in the independence of its conclusions, and it concluded that there was literally nothing that could have been done to avoid this, fine, but until then I will keep saying I want an investigation.

The rest of your post is not particularly worth responding to. Maybe one day you will actually think about data someone shows you instead of hemming and hawing about how it can be twisted to fit your preconceptions, but until that day...

ps Richard Nixon was a Republican
 
If you can protect the leaders, there is no point.
The point is to remove the stupid members, not to cripple the opposition’s power structure.

Lauren Boebert’s twitter is an unintentional comedy gold mine.

China, Iran and our other adversaries must be sleeping a lot easier knowing that they have a solid ALLY in the White House.

Is there ANYTHING these Democrats want to do that ISN'T an assault on the Constitution?

This is not Obama’s third term. This is essentially Hugo Chavez’s first term.
 
No no. I mean more "blacks" vs "the blacks" vs "black people." I seem to remember "the blacks" or "the jews" being callous for some reason. And I actually mostly want "white" american opinion on it. That's who I'd run afoul of on manners, in vast likelihood. I find very few opportunities to do the talking when the topic comes to being black, with black people. I mean sure. It touches everything, but what are you going to do? Yammer on about that, then!

Maybe you grew up watching All in the Family, Archie led off every commentary on various ethnicities and groups with "the" or "them there".

So, how about showing the lie about institutional racism for a change? And no, you did not quote her on that.

By the way, did you know you can be racist without shooting anyone?

True story.

Hands up, dont shoot... That was not just 1 lie, it was the sled pulling a BSload of lies. And yes, Maxine Waters repeated that lie enthusiastically knowing damn well it was BS, but she couldn't afford to be honest about it or she would get canceled. For Trayvon it was a hoodie and skittles and the racist monster who hunted him down and murdered him with local police trying to cover it up. These were lies and the Obama administration and a jury agreed.

Okay, I'll try one more time:

The rest of your post is not particularly worth responding to. Maybe one day you will actually think about data someone shows you instead of hemming and hawing about how it can be twisted to fit your preconceptions, but until that day...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you posted a graph tying poverty and race to death by cop. But the data about Latino poverty and death by cop shows their rates to be lower than both blacks and whites. We already agree there's a connection between poverty and policing, drug wars are fought mostly against poorer people. But if the problem was racist cops we'd see all peoples of color with high rates.

Thats why your graph proves the drug war is the institutional racism, not racist cops or poverty. Removing the drug war would change the dynamic, corporations sell the drugs while we defund the cops and the gangs. The cops can deal with murder, rape and robbery and people are free to use drugs or seek treatment without state coercion.

ps Richard Nixon was a Republican

I know, Nixon was a war criminal and Democrats wrote the drug laws and started the war... See, both sides suck. I think even Joe was writing drug laws for him.
 
Maybe you grew up watching All in the Family, Archie led off every commentary on various ethnicities and groups with "the" or "them there".



Hands up, dont shoot... That was not just 1 lie, it was the sled pulling a BSload of lies. And yes, Maxine Waters repeated that lie enthusiastically knowing damn well it was BS, but she couldn't afford to be honest about it or she would get canceled. For Trayvon it was a hoodie and skittles and the racist monster who hunted him down and murdered him with local police trying to cover it up. These were lies and the Obama administration and a jury agreed.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but you posted a graph tying poverty and race to death by cop. But the data about Latino poverty and death by cop shows their rates to be lower than both blacks and whites. We already agree there's a connection between poverty and policing, drug wars are fought mostly against poorer people. But if the problem was racist cops we'd see all peoples of color with high rates.

Thats why your graph proves the drug war is the institutional racism, not racist cops or poverty. Removing the drug war would change the dynamic, corporations sell the drugs while we defund the cops and the gangs. The cops can deal with murder, rape and robbery and people are free to use drugs or seek treatment without state coercion.



I know, Nixon was a war criminal and Democrats wrote the drug laws and started the war... See, both sides suck. I think even Joe was writing drug laws for him.

GOP still wants to perpetuate the drug war even though they damn well know its racist in execution. . . Also cops implicit bias makes them enforce laws in racist ways. Everything you are saying is garbage. Fake Libertarian dribble.

Five Republicans vote for bill to decriminalize marijuana | TheHill
 
Maybe you grew up watching All in the Family, Archie led off every commentary on various ethnicities and groups with "the" or "them there".

I'm still catching up to Archie. He wasn't allowed on, because he was an *******.
 
GOP still wants to perpetuate the drug war even though they damn well know its racist in execution. . . Also cops implicit bias makes them enforce laws in racist ways. Everything you are saying is garbage. Fake Libertarian dribble.

Five Republicans vote for bill to decriminalize marijuana | TheHill

Everything I said about the Democrats is fake because Republicans support the drug war too? Do the Democrats know its racist? When did they figure that out? Or did they, last I checked its the states that are pulling back on the reins.

Does that include Trump?

He sucks less than the 2 parties. The only reason we got the 1st step act and an end to our wars in Syria and Afghanistan is because of him, he had to drag his party there. Now that he's gone they're right back to pushing for more war in Afghanistan.
 
If you can protect the leaders, there is no point.

Why do the delegations even have leadership? Instead of pontificating on how awful these people are we really ought to be asking ourselves why did Kentucky get a super senator from 2016-20 and why does New York have one now?

These people get unilateral power to block floor votes ffs.
 
Oh yeah. Road to peace paved with bombs and dead civilians.
Also intensified the war on drugs, but who cares? Except you the entire thread. But you will have a spin on that as well I'm sure :lol:

But sending US troops into Syria and then seizing the Oil is good when Trump dose it.
 
But sending US troops into Syria and then seizing the Oil is good when Trump dose it.
Of course.

In March 2020, Trump stopped publishing U.S. Airpower Summaries, so we don't know how many bombs were dropped in 2020, but that was to hide what a peacefull president he was. Trump is not the kind of person who likes to boast he set America on the road to peace you see :D

Much peace
 
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