Maxine Waters up for expulsion when?

[Kaitzilla]

Uh oh, Judge Cahill said the Congresswoman's remarks might be grounds for an appeal.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/judge-derek-chauvin-maxine-waters-mistrial-appeal/index.html

 

[Joij21]

Uh oh, Judge Cahill said the Congresswoman's remarks might be grounds for an appeal.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/judge-derek-chauvin-maxine-waters-mistrial-appeal/index.html

Sounds like the judge is giving into his inner nature that he has been trying to hide throughout the entirety of this trial.

 

[Farm Boy]

After he said that he saw no reason that the current trial was compromised and that it would continue.

But he's probably wiser about how his appellate works than us.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Sounds like the judge is giving into his inner nature that he has been trying to hide throughout the entirety of this trial.

The judge has been trying to keep it from becoming an obvious mistrial on appeal situation. The timing of the settlement, comments by public figures, issues with sequestering, prosecution misconduct (in criminal trials you are not allowed to talk about opposing counsel, and they were warned about this multiple times) etc have increased the risk for that, and other than maybe Chauvin who wants that outcome?

 

[Joij21]

I think the judge is now showing he was a cop supporting plant the whole time. Just waiting for an excuse to come his way to acquit the cop as soon as an opportunity became available, all while appearing to be for the other side.

 

[Joij21]

The judge has been trying to keep it from becoming an obvious mistrial on appeal situation. The timing of the settlement, comments by public figures, issues with sequestering, prosecution misconduct (in criminal trials you are not allowed to talk about opposing counsel, and they were warned about this multiple times) etc have increased the risk for that, and other than maybe Chauvin who wants that outcome?

Just B.S. excuses for letting another cop go scot-free AGAIN.

The riots will be inevitable at this point if this is allowed to continue.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So the election was just as stolen as there is institutional racism in the police force. And Maxime Waters made institutional racism in the police force up.

It's the exact same thing.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Where was that logic in January?

Riots were a result of Trump's lies about a stolen election. Riots as a result of institutional racism aren't a result of Water's comments.

You might notice Waters doesn't have a cult of followers like Trump has.

Yeah, it's exactly the same.

 

[Berzerker]

After he said that he saw no reason that the current trial was compromised and that it would continue.

But he's probably wiser about how his appellate works than us.

The jury knows an acquittal will be greeted with violence, the judge is guilty of wishful thinking. Helps explain how all white male juries would convict or acquit based on race and tribe, fear of the mob is a powerful motivator. Its a form of jury tampering.

 

[Samson]

Moreso asking for its consistency. Both last summer and recently, she has said things that are obviously incitement...at least by their own previously used standards. Obviously it isn't actual legal incitement now just like it wasn't last time. But either you can say these things or you can't.

Is not the whole point of common law systems, that the first case defines the law, then you apply that ruling to others situations? It is not inconsistent to not charge people with what was just declared legal?

 

[Berzerker]

Riots were a result of Trump's lies about a stolen election. Riots as a result of institutional racism aren't a result of Water's comments.

You might notice Waters doesn't have a cult of followers like Trump has.

Yeah, it's exactly the same.

Riots as a result of lies about institutional racism

How many unarmed black people were killed by cops in 2019? Will it surprise you to learn people, especially Democrats, are way off with their guesses?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Riots as a result of lies about institutional racism

There is much research done that concludes there is institutional racism in the US, and in it's police force. There is much research done that concludes the elections weren't stolen.

How many rioters were carrying "Waters" signs? You know, like these:

Maxime Waters made up institution racism. Months before the riots she just made it up. She said: yeah, there's racism. It's so sad.

It's exactly the same.

 

[Gorbles]

If actions were according to my beliefs on legal incitement, previous events would have been different. What I want to see is actions consistent with the purported standards and beliefs of the people who acted on previous assertions of incitement.

Oh, this one's easy then. The events being compared (however obtusely) are different events with different context, and thus do not contradict either other.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Riots as a result of lies about institutional racism

If you think Insitutional racism in America isn't endemic and wide-rife you are delusional and nothing anybody says or points out to you will ever sway you from your belief

 

[Farm Boy]

The jury knows an acquittal will be greeted with violence, the judge is guilty of wishful thinking. Helps explain how all white male juries would convict or acquit based on race and tribe, fear of the mob is a powerful motivator. Its a form of jury tampering.

Ah, but the problem with respect of our institutions is that, at least for the moment, I'm still listening to the judge, and he knows more about this than I do. I'm listening to the medical examiner at this point, he knows more than I do. And I am listening to the chief, who knows more than I do. Add that to a latent expectation that everyone in government lies, because they do at times, and I will probably roll with what the jury comes up with barring something new afterwards.

You can make an argument here if you think the jurors have been listening to Representative Waters during the trial and that her protest actions will override the considerations of the co-equal court. However, jurors are supposed to be peers. If you are making the argument that this is latent background knowledge --that acquittals result in riots-- to American adults, then that knowledge is built in as part of the peer toolkit. I guess I'm trying to sort this out. Do you think the jurors specifically on the case right now are specifically influenced by Rep Waters, if they have even been allowed to follow the news(have they? I'm not following sequester questions), or is this a general argument that would apply the the jury system in whole? Should the defendant have asked for a bench trial so that his fate would be in the hands of a judge that seems to possess enough spine to tell a local-become-Federal-Rep from across the country to keep her nose out of his trial?

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

If you think Insitutional racism in America isn't endemic and wide-rife you are delusional and nothing anybody says or points out to you will ever sway you from your belief

It is probably the same in every country. Nationality can also be a big deal for discrimination.

 

[Estebonrober]

It is probably the same in every country. Nationality can also be a big deal for discrimination.

Is this a defense of institutional racism?

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

Is this a defense of institutional racism?

No, what I'm saying is it exist in every country so it is strange to claim it don't exist or something like that. European countries are no better than US from what I can tell and it can be bad in asian countries.

Also in europe, people have tended or still tend to see people from other countries, even other european countries as inferior, especially in the past, it have gotten somewhat better with EU.

 

[Farm Boy]

Onto seeing if any of the jurors later admit to seeing crap like this that they shouldn't have while ongoing I guess.

 

[Berzerker]

There is much research done that concludes there is institutional racism in the US, and in it's police force. There is much research done that concludes the elections weren't stolen.

And research also shows the number of unarmed black people killed by cops is far lower than what the population believes, so somebody's lying.

If you think Insitutional racism in America isn't endemic and wide-rife you are delusional and nothing anybody says or points out to you will ever sway you from your belief

Welcome back... I also see @Guynemer is around. I think blaming cops is a cop out. I dont see 'institutional racism' in the small number of unarmed people killed by cops. The institutional racism black people and cops have to live with comes from on high - the politicians. End their drug war.

Ah, but the problem with respect of our institutions is that, at least for the moment, I'm still listening to the judge, and he knows more about this than I do. I'm listening to the medical examiner at this point, he knows more than I do. And I am listening to the chief, who knows more than I do. Add that to a latent expectation that everyone in government lies, because they do at times, and I will probably roll with what the jury comes up with barring something new afterwards.

You can make an argument here if you think the jurors have been listening to Representative Waters during the trial and that her protest actions will override the considerations of the co-equal court. However, jurors are supposed to be peers. If you are making the argument that this is latent background knowledge --that acquittals result in riots-- to American adults, then that knowledge is built in as part of the peer toolkit. I guess I'm trying to sort this out. Do you think the jurors specifically on the case right now are specifically influenced by Rep Waters, if they have even been allowed to follow the news(have they? I'm not following sequester questions), or is this a general argument that would apply the the jury system in whole? Should the defendant have asked for a bench trial so that his fate would be in the hands of a judge that seems to possess enough spine to tell a local-become-Federal-Rep from across the country to keep her nose out of his trial?

I dont think her comments made a difference, I'm not even sure angry mobs mattered. Well, I cant say that. I cant imagine the jurors blocking that out but I also dont see fault with their verdict. I may not have gone with 2nd degree but I probably would have if I was the lone hold out. But it is a general argument about the nature of jury trials in the midst of a highly charged atmosphere.

God, I'm watching Joe Eagle lecture us about police reform.