Media BIAS

[Zardnaar]

Well as long as you've got yours eh Rah?

You play the persecution card hard. I don't think you really know what it means.

I've spoken to people who lived in Cambodia, South Africa and East Germany.

Are things good? Nope. Can they be a lot worse yes.

If Trump loses the election refuses to go and is supported by the army you have a big problem.

If he loses, refuses to go and is dragged out kicking and screaming it's a bit different.

Ironically despite chants of lock her up Trump might be the first ex President to be picked up or at least investigated to be locked up.

Alot of liberals own their own houses, it's the biggest asset most people have and often takes a lifetime to get.

They're not going to gamble that unless things get really really bad and they have no choice.

 

[Estebonrober]

I have all sorts of nitpicks with Allsides, but so does everyone else. I think quantifying this is really hard BUT!, I do want to point out that in the far left category there are maybe two actually anti-capitalist rags in there I think Jacobin and The Nation. The rest in my opinion could only be considered center left in my opinion. This has to do with what I think is an important point about the Overton Window and how it effects the whole idea of bias. I'm a capitalist, but am constantly disturbed about the lack of argument against it generally. If there was more of that we could at least get better regulation of the beast it is. . .

 

[Estebonrober]

Should we shut down all the garbage smashers on the detention level?

More Walls Closing In, Bombshells, Beginning of the end, etc.

CENTRISTS:






Current level of self-awareness at the New York Times:

See this is a long list of stuff that isn't left wing, it's just anti-conspiratorial and anti-racist. See how that Overton Window works?

 

[El_Machinae]

You no longer can get drafted and sent off to Vietnam and have to kill people.
Each generation faces it's own challenges but yeah, things sure suck right now.
But I am fortunate to be able to retire with a decent nestegg (soon anyway)

Once you're retired, you have so much opportunity to shift your spending and efforts in ways that improve things

 

[rah]

I'll need something to do with all my free time. Can't golf every day anymore

 

[Arwon]

Where does the media fall in terms of BIAS Left or Right. I know some here say neither and it all is biased toward the rich. Many people have tried to quantify it. I'll post the ALLSIDES ones since it will be easiest to read hear. You can go to their site for an explanation of their methodology. But the biggest media player isn't listed. To me that is Hollywood. Obviously if you just consider the how the actors reacted at the last Academy awards you would have noticed their anti-Trump vibe. But more importantly, what about the producers.
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I mean obviously, MSNBC and Jacobin are the same thing and the Economist is left wing, this is just impeccable stuff.

 

[Arwon]

It's also fascinating that the only three non-US non-insane outlets on here (the Daily Mail isn't real) are the Graun, the Economist and the BBC and they're all assumed to be at least "centrist".

 

[rah]

There were other charts that were more detailed from other sources but I don't know how good they would look posted here. Most of the ones listed reflect the one I did.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

My news source isn't listed. I have to wonder how this would look from a Canadian perspective. Every single day there are people posting in the comments sections, whining that CBC is either horribly biased in favor of the Liberals or the Conservatives, depending on which party the poster supports.

 

[Ajidica]

That is one of the strangest media bias lists I've seen in a long time.
Like, Politico as left-wing? Their editorial viewpoint is solidly center right (I mean, they once published an article that proposed in all seriousness a 'buy your own immigrant' program) and one of their main contributors, Richard Lowry, is at the very least Trumpist-adjacent.
As others have pointed out, The Economist as left wing? BBC may be centrist, but it is firmly biased in favor of the British Establishment. I definately would not call Vox left-wing, except in so far as they are part of the 'trendy left', albeit with a strong technocratic bias. Plus, the image completely fails to take into account journalistic integrity. The Intercept may have a strong bias, but their reporting -especially investigative reporting- is of a high quality. (Similar to the New Yorker.) Apart from National Review on a good day, I'm not seeing any equivalent on the right-wing side, populated by the Daily Heil or Brietbarf.

Oh, and CNN alongside The Intercept or Democracy Now? WTH? That's about as silly as the interview when Ben Shapiro called Andrew Neil a leftist.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Every single day there are people posting in the comments sections, whining that CBC is either horribly biased in favor of the Liberals or the Conservatives, depending on which party the poster supports.

That's usually a sign that it's probably centrist.

 

[Berzerker]

See this is a long list of stuff that isn't left wing, it's just anti-conspiratorial and anti-racist. See how that Overton Window works?

when you see all these sources repeating a talking point its propaganda

 

[Estebonrober]

when you see all these sources repeating a talking point its propaganda

No it's an echo chamber. Propaganda is when the current administration has a mouthpiece passing itself off as a news network. Like Fox News.

 

[Arwon]

That's usually a sign that it's probably centrist.

That's presupposing that the centre of politics is between the Canadian Liberals and Canadian Tories which is probably not super accurate given the Liberals themselves are probably best characterised as centrist. They're decidedly not a social democratic or labour-linked party as is typical of the western centre-left, and they are a member of the liberal international with a bunch of centrist and pro-business parties like the German Free Democrats and Dutch Democrats 66, as well as the usually conservative Irish Fianna Fail.

Really as centrists their nearly unique trick has been pulling in enough of the centre left and centre right to turn centrist liberalism into the natural party of government in a country. That's both managing to somewhat marginalise the actual social democratic and labour parties without becoming one, and also pull in parts of the right without just becoming right wing nationalists like the Australian Liberal Party did.

 

[Arwon]

Of course, on a similar line, US-based attempts to define media bias are generally badly hobbled by the forced assumption that the US Democrats (especially their elected caucus) are a straight-forward centre left party in the first place, and therefore also hobbled by the belief that the "middle" of politics is remaining neutral between the US Democrats and US Republicans even as the latter goes completely insane and radicalises itself.

 

[Zardnaar]

We have a news site here, when National was in it was accused if being a right wing puff piece.

Change of government it gets accused if being a left wing puff piece.

Judge for yourself but it's probably the most popular NZ online news site.

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[Old Hippy]

No it's an echo chamber. Propaganda is when the current administration has a mouthpiece passing itself off as a news network. Like Fox News.

an echo chamber is silent if no sound is made... on 14 August the day the old DNI 'retired' senator Grassley released senate transcripts of 'spygate' testimonies relating to how the FBI and DOJ did not follow up on the fact that every clinton email from her bathroom server was sent to an unknown email address... carterheavyindustries @gmail.com
''The Senate Judiciary Committee has now released documents that contain information that verifies that yes indeed, then Secretary of State Clinton was having all her emails copied and forwarded to a Chinese companies' email account.'' and probably' consequently cc's of all the peoples emails that were sent to Hillary's private email server...

now I not saying that Hillary was just a dumb moronic idiot.. to use current cfcot terminology for politicians.... I leave that to her defense attorneys
the scandal might not be that Hillary knew this ( just another Russian hack? from China? ) but that senior FBI DOJ DNI and several senior Obama officials also were told this and found that her keeping a private home server against any reasonable common sense entitled her to Comey's clearance just before the 2016 election

July 5, 201611:32 AM ET ... Comey said 110 emails sent or received on Hillary Clinton's server contained classified information.

what I am saying is this long published 'conspiracy theory' has been widely circulated on fox news for months
I look forward to the previous administrations propaganda mouthpieces reporting on this as most of the people involved and named publicly in covering this up are now pundits for propagandists like CNN etc.
the documents ... on day 1 after Dan resigns...

 

[Arwon]

What the hell just happened

 

[Estebonrober]

an echo chamber is silent if no sound is made... on 14 August the day the old DNI 'retired' senator Grassley released senate transcripts of 'spygate' testimonies relating to how the FBI and DOJ did not follow up on the fact that every clinton email from her bathroom server was sent to an unknown email address... carterheavyindustries @gmail.com
''The Senate Judiciary Committee has now released documents that contain information that verifies that yes indeed, then Secretary of State Clinton was having all her emails copied and forwarded to a Chinese companies' email account.'' and probably' consequently cc's of all the peoples emails that were sent to Hillary's private email server...

now I not saying that Hillary was just a dumb moronic idiot.. to use current cfcot terminology for politicians.... I leave that to her defense attorneys
the scandal might not be that Hillary knew this ( just another Russian hack? from China? ) but that senior FBI DOJ DNI and several senior Obama officials also were told this and found that her keeping a private home server against any reasonable common sense entitled her to Comey's clearance just before the 2016 election

what I am saying is this long published 'conspiracy theory' has been widely circulated on fox news for months
I look forward to the previous administrations propaganda mouthpieces reporting on this as most of the people involved and named publicly in covering this up are now pundits for propagandists like CNN etc.
the documents ... on day 1 after Dan resigns...

I'm not sure what this is implying? That she was hacked by Chinese intelligence? That she allowed Chinese intelligence to hack her? I mean by all means keep digging. Of course none of this excuses the current president of anything.

 

[Tristan_C]

No it's an echo chamber. Propaganda is when the current administration has a mouthpiece passing itself off as a news network. Like Fox News.

The terms are not mutually exclusive. Neither is propaganda how you define it here; any institution or political movement can generate propaganda.