Monarchy and the "general solution"

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The problem

Imagine some guy whom you do not really know but who is asking your advice. You do not know specifics but want to help him, so you give a "general solution": something which not necessary will work for this particular individual but usually works for majority.

Imagine a group of future rulers of some young nation from Africa or Eastern Europe asking you (as experienced Cafcian) which form of government they should use so their country would have more chances to prosper. You do not really know specifics nor you have any desire to know (you already learned on CFC too much), so you tell them a "general solution":

- Democracy, guys. Universal suffrage, parliament, premier-minister and president. It will work for sure. 100%.

Three years later you read about civil war in this place, foreign intervention, refugees and look at the photo of some guy whom locals elected and who would be able to become only a small criminal in your own country.

- Strange, did not work, - say you, - usually works, but not this time. No luck, poor guys.

Suddenly another group of young nation-wanna-builders enters your room with similar question. You look at the newspaper, then at the guests, sigh and say:

- Democracy, guys. Not the best but best what we have. Universal suffrage, parliament, premier-minister and president. Should work. 100%.

The evidence

A usual explanation of this choice usually defended by its proponents something like "Not the best but best what we have" or "It is obvious" and sounds more like religious dogma - not like a solid argument. So I've decided to look for an evidence and checked the "Human Development Index": a good chart which takes in account not only economy but also life expectancy, education and other important statistics. Let's check who is on Top Ten.

Norway - monarchy
Australia - monarchy
Switzerland - rare confederacy
Netherlands - monarchy
United States - thalassocracy
Germany - "democracy" (follows the "general solution")
New Zealand - monarchy
Canada - monarchy
Singapore - benevolent hereditary authocracy
Denmark - monarchy

WTH?

6 of 10 countries in top 10 of HDI are monarchies! Ask any Cafcian and as a good Commie he will say: "Monarchies are useless obsolete forms of governments, nobody should use them". But reality shows that they are strong when we check who really prospers.

Non-monarchies are also interesting because only one of them truly follows "general solution" usually promoted for new countries and governments.

Sure, Switzerland is democratic republic but its political system is quite different from what is usually described as such. It is (former) confederacy and have a political system which is very close to direct democracy and as a rule modern democratic governments do not entrust to their citizens such power.

United States is a giant thalassocracy. It is a humongous Carthage. Such "solution" you can not replicate easily. This is a very custom thing, a historical fluke.

Singapore is a very benevolent hereditary authocracy which uses very interesting but also unsual for an average Cafcian ways to do things.

We actually have only one country among top 10 which follows the general recipe - Germany.

Bottom Ten

Let's check who is at the bottom of the list.

Mozambique - "democracy" (follows the "general solution")
Guinea - "democracy"
Burundi - "democracy"
Burkina Faso - "democracy"
Eritrea - one-party rulership
Sierra Leone - "democracy"
Chad - "democracy"
CAR - "democracy"
DR Congo - "democracy"
Niger - "democracy"

What's interesting here is that only one country is not "democracy" which openly defy it. We could expect here dictatordoms, one-party rulerships, hereditary authocracies but they are higher in the list. Only Eritrea with her sole-party rulership got to the bottom. All others follow the "general solution".

Result

Our preliminary research seems to show that a usual solution prescribed to young nations is actually bad one. Top countries are either monarchies or have very custom solutions, so if a country does not have an experience of state-building, monarchy is the safest bet.

Add-ons

Arab case
Answer to main objections
 
Mixed. Genius of America's founders. Elements of monarchy, oligarchy and democracy balanced against each other to maximize benefits of each and minimize liabilities of each.
 
Precisely which elements of (say) the Norwegian Constitutional Monarchy do you suggest countries like Niger need to adopt? What will the impact of such reforms be?
 
All of those countries that you label monarchies, the 'monarch' has no say in the running of the government or the making of laws.
 
All of those countries that you label monarchies, the 'monarch' has no say in the running of the government or the making of laws.

The monarch itself doesn't, yet I observe that the system of monarchy definitely changes the mentality of the ones who are really in power. Their political legitimacy no longer hinges on the popular will but the monarch. This entices to act as responsible stewards (i.e. create prosperity) and make them more willing to make unpopular decisions aimed with that particular goal, which also have more legitimacy as the monarch formally still promulgates them.

Mixed. Genius of America's founders. Elements of monarchy, aristocracy and democracy balanced against each other to maximize benefits of each and minimize liabilities of each.

America has no titled nobility. There were proposals (was it Alexander Hamilton?) to make the US president a monarch.
 
All of those countries that you label monarchies, the 'monarch' has no say in the running of the government or the making of laws.

Or has a say that isn't really enforced. And those democracies that you labelled aren't really functional democracies. Much like DPRK isn't exactly a democratic republic.
 
Much like DPRK isn't exactly a democratic republic.

If we are to view democracy as the ideology that equates demos with the chief political identity, DPRK is pretty much a legit democracy. Monarchy divides the state between those in power and those who are subjects. This paradoxically can give more liberties than in democracies because tyrannical decisions are no longer automatically legimised as 'popular will'.
 
America has no titled nobility. There were proposals (was it Alexander Hamilton?) to make the US president a monarch.

Oops. Oligarchy. Fixed. Still: mixed.
 
To be fair, even though the titles of the royal family don't grant them any power in Britain,their money certainly does. The Royal Family makes roughly about 50 million pounds per year. If they so choose they could use that money to influence British politics.
 
If we are to view democracy as the ideology that equates demos with the chief political identity, DPRK is pretty much a legit democracy.

I don't see how you could ever say that with a straight face. Considering there is approximately zero input from the 'demos' and all of it from the 'monarch' and military. I mean sure you could argue that the people put them there but it's not a very grounded argument.

Monarchy divides the state between those in power and those who are subjects. This paradoxically can give more liberties than in democracies because tyrannical decisions are no longer automatically legimised as 'popular will'.

You are simply trading one flavour of tyranny for the other. And banking on an enlightened monarch with some kind of military backing otherwise you eventually face the rapido guillotining.

To be fair, even though the titles of the royal family don't grant them any power in Britain,their money certainly does. The Royal Family makes roughly about 50 million pounds per year. If they so choose they could use that money to influence British politics.

Yes they could. And in this extremely information porous age they would risk attracting the ire of the public looking to slash their budget and symbolic importance.
 
If we are to view democracy as the ideology that equates demos with the chief political identity, DPRK is pretty much a legit democracy. Monarchy divides the state between those in power and those who are subjects. This paradoxically can give more liberties than in democracies because tyrannical decisions are no longer automatically legimised as 'popular will'.


DPRK has no elements of a democracy at all in their government.
 
Result

Our preliminary research seems to show that a usual solution prescribed to young nations is actually bad one. Top countries are either monarchies or have very custom solutions, so if a country does not have an experience of state-building, monarchy is the safest bet.

Conclusion does not follow. Also your definitions are terribly sloppy. :p
 
United States - thalassocracy

:lol::lol::lol:

Is why any discussion should end if this was not a RD thread. But because it is: Your definition are messy, your conclusions doesn't follow, your hypothetical is without any connection to reality. You could call Switzerland a pagocracy and the OT couldn't be more hilarious.
 
Yeah I have to agree with some other posters here. You've used some very strange definitions to provide the conclusion you wanted. There isn't really a lot to discuss.
 
:lol::lol::lol:

Is why any discussion should end if this was not a RD thread. But because it is: Your definition are messy, your conclusions doesn't follow, your hypothetical is without any connection to reality. You could call Switzerland a pagocracy and the OT couldn't be more hilarious.

I don't think it is that weird. America is dependent on its navy for global power and its global power is what has made America what is now ever since the end of WWII. If I am not mistaken, Thalassocracy means something like 'rule by water'.
 
Trying too hard to give the hypothetical beginners a one word answer. For the vast majority of history 'monarchy' has not meant 'we have a king or queen as a sort of national mascot', it meant 'we have an absolute despot who claims ownership of the land and the inhabitants by hereditary right'. So giving them that one word answer is courting disaster.

Democracy is also a one word answer leading to disaster, because democracy has an inherent flaw that will destroy them if they do not ensure that knowledge of that flaw is pretty much universal among their population. If they are asking for this advice it certainly won't be, so sending them off to establish democracy will be a disaster.

Then there's the motive for answering in the first place. The best advice these people could get is 'don't ask'. Whether the answer is 'democracy, just be sure to elect someone we can cheat out of your resources' or 'monarchy, just remind the monarch he is a vassal of our monarch so we can demand your resources as tribute' or 'just put some despot in charge so we can trade him guns to keep his seat for everything he can wring out of you'...it won't be intended to serve them well anyway. The best thing that could happen for them is to be left alone, but Lord knows all of us 'better' countries can't allow that.
 
I don't think it is that weird. America is dependent on its navy for global power and its global power is what has made America what is now ever since the end of WWII. If I am not mistaken, Thalassocracy means something like 'rule by water'.


Which doesn't have a single &%$&* thing to do with the structure of government of the United States. the subjects are not even tangentially related.
 
Let's check now this tendency fare on regional set. Arab countries are good to check our hypothesis because they have plenty of monarchies and "democracies".

Here is a list ranged by HDI (number at the left is position in HDI chart):

31 Qatar - monarchy
34 Saudi Arabia - monarchy
40 United Arab Emirates - confederation of monarchies
44 Bahrain - monarchy
46 Kuwait - monarchy
55 Libya - "democracy"
56 Oman - monarchy
65 Lebanon - "democracy"
77 Jordan - monarchy

90 Tunisia - "democracy"
93 Algeria - "democracy"
107 Palestine, State of - "democracy"
110 Egypt - "democracy"
120 Iraq - "democracy"
129 Morocco - monarchy
159 Comoros - "democracy"
161 Mauritania - "democracy"
170 Djibouti - one-party rulership
166 Sudan - "democracy"
118 Syrian Arab Republic - hereditary authorianship
154 Yemen - "democracy"

I think comments are not needed though there is an interesting participant in the first half - Libya whose HDI was mostly earned during Quaddafi rule. It will be interesting to follow whether new-found democraticness of this young democracy help to advance higher in HDI's chart or it will go down to comply with general trend.
 
Do so many developed countries have monarchies because monarchical systems encourage development, or because their development, and the associated history of stability, allows them to retain these wilfully archaic institutions?

Mixed. Genius of America's founders. Elements of monarchy, oligarchy and democracy balanced against each other to maximize benefits of each and minimize liabilities of each.
I don't know why people keep saying this, because the United States government never actually ended up anything like Adams et al. hope it would. There's a bicameral legislature and a separate executive, but that's really it.
 
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