More Psycho-babble from Pat Robertson

[MobBoss]

Jesus does not equal god.

To me he does.

Regardless, an ominipotent god has no need for worshippers, so why would that god care if someone even believed in him? Is not leading a life based upon values that are universally considered 'good' sufficient to get into heaven...whatever that may be? If the only real test is whether you are willing to believe in a figurehead prophet without any evidence or convincing arguments then you are saying that god wants only the gullible in heaven, which is absurd.

You confuse gullibility with faithfulness.

There are too many holes in Christianity. I share a deity with today's Christians, but the adherence to a dogma that changes for political reasons does not inspire faith.

Hmmm, which faith would that be?

 

[viqsi]

No, I am just fine with saying what I believe thank you very much. Saying the "I have been taught" line means either a) I dont believe in what I have been taught or b) I dont have the balls to say what I believe.

I don't quite see how this follows, but in any case, I was just suggesting tempering your remarks a little rather than attempting to compromise your beliefs, and I apologize if it came across differently. Stating things as absolute fact that other people don't necessarily yet believe tends to come across as arrogant and disrespectful, and thus can damage one's credibility. When you're respectful, people generally listen. When you're absolutist, people generally stop listening... or they turn around and mock.

And just like you I hope Mr. Sharon does recover and I pray for him and his nation.

Thanks.

 

[eyrei]

You confuse gullibility with faithfulness.

And where does faithfulness come from exactly? And how does one know if one is being faithful or gullible? Generally, a person's faith is chosen by their parents and/or peers, though there are certainly exceptions. So faithfulness can be seen as nothing more than conformity in most cases.

Hmmm, which faith would that be?

Any person who believes in a single divine power shares the same deity whether they know it or not. And even if god does care whether or not someone believes, why would god care how a person came to that belief? In the Christian faith the belief in Jesus is paramount, but he is often described as one aspect (the caring and most human one and the messenger) of god. What of those people who believe in that aspect without assigning the name Jesus to it? Again, why would god care how one came to that belief and what does it matter if a person pays lip service to a name? The voice of god, or Metatron supposedly speaks through dreams and signs to humans to bring them the word of god. Why would Metatron stop with Jesus to bring the message to all peoples of the existence of god? Mohammed and Joseph Smith are two examples of other messengers besides Jesus. Doesn't it seem a little too dogmatic to assume that all messengers after Jesus were false ones?

Anyway, that is really a topic for another thread, though I seldom participate in those because discussion of theology doesn't sit well with the atheists who like to spam those threads with smart remarks.

 

[MobBoss]

I don't quite see how this follows, but in any case, I was just suggesting tempering your remarks a little rather than attempting to compromise your beliefs, and I apologize if it came across differently. Stating things as absolute fact that other people don't necessarily yet believe tends to come across as arrogant and disrespectful, and thus can damage one's credibility. When you're respectful, people generally listen. When you're absolutist, people generally stop listening... or they turn around and mock.

Basically what you are saying is that its more tactful to state it the way you mentioned as opposed to how I approached it. I will buy that. My communication methods in my career have pretty much been blunt and directly to the point.

And where does faithfulness come from exactly? And how does one know if one is being faithful or gullible? Generally, a person's faith is chosen by their parents and/or peers, though there are certainly exceptions. So faithfulness can be seen as nothing more than conformity in most cases.

Faithfulness comes from love. Does my wife love me and is faithful to me, or is she just being gullible? Or am I just being gullible, in my faithfulness to her? The same goes with my God. I love him therefore I am faithful unto him. Likewise he his faithful to me as well.

The voice of god, or Metatron

!!! You believe a Decepticon is God??? Anyway, I have never heard of Metatron..going to have to look that one up.

Doesn't it seem a little too dogmatic to assume that all messengers after Jesus were false ones?

Just as the bible foretold the coming of Jesus, so does it also predict the false prophets of the future.

Anyway, that is really a topic for another thread, though I seldom participate in those because discussion of theology doesn't sit well with the atheists who like to spam those threads with smart remarks.

Amen to that.

 

[CartesianFart]

Anyway, that is really a topic for another thread, though I seldom participate in those because discussion of theology doesn't sit well with the atheists who like to spam those threads with smart remarks.

I am a secularist or whatever word that describe a person belief that is not preoccupied on the concept of GOD.I find it annoying that a fellow atheist succumb to a low level of argumentum ad hominem.