Archbob
Ancient CFC Guardian
In another related story, Pat Robertson was found going KooKoo for CoCoa Puffs.
More Psycho-babble from Pat Robertson
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blackheart
unenlightened
MobBoss said:Sorry bub, I am just being honest. Either you can handle it or you cant. Ponder this:
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Sorry, not going to lie to you just to make you happy.
I don't need you to lie for me to be happy. You're missing my point altogether, which is that it is ignorant and arrogant to condemn everyone else to hell because a few phrases in the Bible contradicts the notion of a benevolent god.
CaptainF
The Professional Poster
MobBoss said:
Its settled then
. I may not agree with everything you say, but that won't always happen.
Zany
Prince
I still in general support Pat Robertson, he is still a good man. But he overestimates his importance and opinions. He thinks he's some sort of prophet. Therefore, he is a borderline false prophet and is making Christians look bad.
While I do not support what he actually said (God is not a political assassin!), in principle I agree, except for the God killing him part. Palestine does not deserve to exist because there is no Palestinian people. "Palestine" is a latinization of Philistine, and the Romans gave that name to Israel to embarrass and disgrace the Jews. Look, the PLO admits it:
Why divide up the land of Israel? First of all, it doesn't matter who is "right" in war, though Israel is right. Words and plights mean nothing in international politics, only muscle. Israel could easily just invade the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Palestinians (read: Arabs) cannot even hold their fronts there, yet they actually "demand" more land?!
But anyway, while I don't in general support Sharon, he by no means deserves to die and by no means is being assassinated by God. Pat Robertson shoudl watch what he says. If God was a political assassin, he would be on the list for spreading false witness.
While I do not support what he actually said (God is not a political assassin!), in principle I agree, except for the God killing him part. Palestine does not deserve to exist because there is no Palestinian people. "Palestine" is a latinization of Philistine, and the Romans gave that name to Israel to embarrass and disgrace the Jews. Look, the PLO admits it:
- PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977
Why divide up the land of Israel? First of all, it doesn't matter who is "right" in war, though Israel is right. Words and plights mean nothing in international politics, only muscle. Israel could easily just invade the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Palestinians (read: Arabs) cannot even hold their fronts there, yet they actually "demand" more land?!
But anyway, while I don't in general support Sharon, he by no means deserves to die and by no means is being assassinated by God. Pat Robertson shoudl watch what he says. If God was a political assassin, he would be on the list for spreading false witness.
Welcome to Mr. Robertson's Neighborhood!
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
blackheart said:
So basically, you label all christians as ignorant and arrogant then? God is still benevolent, but only for those that love him and have faith in him. I see your point just fine, you want people to go to heaven without believing in god. Sorry, thats kind of a requirement to get into the gate. You want some kind of "feel good" religion with freedom to do whatever the hell you want, go try something else.
Zany said:Why divide up the land of Israel? First of all, it doesn't matter who is "right" in war, though Israel is right. Words and plights mean nothing in international politics, only muscle. Israel could easily just invade the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Palestinians (read: Arabs) cannot even hold their fronts there, yet they actually "demand" more land?!
Might makes right? Which part of the bible or YEC supports that version of morality?
MobBoss said:
I have no special problem with christianity or christians in general, but I can't equate a benevolent god with one that sets the main criteria for entry to the good afterlife as belief in god, above following all the other correct morals. Especially in the case of people that aren't exposed to christianity. That view says that anyone who isn't exposed to christianity, whether in the past, whether they live outside a modern western society, or if they die before they are able to actually believe in something, is automatically excluded from even having a chance to enter heaven.
Obviously I believe the whole mythology is garbage, but the logical extension of 'no belief in god/jesus' = barred from heaven, is that babies that die before they get a chance to believe, and anyone unlucky enough to be born without access to the tenets of christian mythology is automatically banned. How is that benevolent?
Winner
Diverse in Unity
He is a living proof that God doesn't exist. Any sane and rightful God would instantly kill him with a lighting or meteor (or whatever), because he couldn't stand the fact that such a fool can call himself His follower 
VoodooAce
Emperor
PR is an idiot....that much is clear and seems to be agreed upon.
Thing is, others want to just ignore him....or, rather, they wish everyone would ignore him.
The fact is, this guy is a respected pillar of the Conservative Right and more Americans follow him than most of you are giving him credit for. And if he calls the White House, you can bet W gets on the horn with him.
Too bad somebody isn't secretly recording THOSE conversations.
Naahhh. This stuff doesn't bother me anymore in the least.
I don't believe it any more than I did when my Grandma told me I was going to be getting some $$$ coming my way because my palm itched.
Let people have their superstitions, just don't let them shove it down our kids throats in lieu of actual science, lol.
Thing is, others want to just ignore him....or, rather, they wish everyone would ignore him.
The fact is, this guy is a respected pillar of the Conservative Right and more Americans follow him than most of you are giving him credit for. And if he calls the White House, you can bet W gets on the horn with him.
Too bad somebody isn't secretly recording THOSE conversations.
blackheart said:
Naahhh. This stuff doesn't bother me anymore in the least.
I don't believe it any more than I did when my Grandma told me I was going to be getting some $$$ coming my way because my palm itched.
Let people have their superstitions, just don't let them shove it down our kids throats in lieu of actual science, lol.
VoodooAce
Emperor
Zany said:I still in general support Pat Robertson, he is still a good man. But he overestimates his importance and opinions. He thinks he's some sort of prophet. Therefore, he is a borderline false prophet and is making Christians look bad.
While I do not support what he actually said (God is not a political assassin!), in principle I agree, except for the God killing him part. Palestine does not deserve to exist because there is no Palestinian people. "Palestine" is a latinization of Philistine, and the Romans gave that name to Israel to embarrass and disgrace the Jews. Look, the PLO admits it:
- PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977
Why divide up the land of Israel? First of all, it doesn't matter who is "right" in war, though Israel is right. Words and plights mean nothing in international politics, only muscle. Israel could easily just invade the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Palestinians (read: Arabs) cannot even hold their fronts there, yet they actually "demand" more land?!
But anyway, while I don't in general support Sharon, he by no means deserves to die and by no means is being assassinated by God. Pat Robertson shoudl watch what he says. If God was a political assassin, he would be on the list for spreading false witness.
I just don't understand...at all. How can you 'in general' support a guy like this? He's obviously not a good guy. He obviously thinks bad things.
Do you actually believe that, underneath all the hatred, selective ignorance and biggotry, despite calling for the US to kill some of the people he hates, and for God to kill the others, that he's really and sweet, pious old man?
I'm sorry. The good person he pretends to be (and, apparently and remarkably, some people believe him to be) and the words that come out of his pie hole just don't jibe.
Quasar1011
King of Sylvania
Have you ever heard of a doctor accused of "playing God"? It is still accepted by many people, that God is the one who holds the power of life and death.VoodooAce said:
1 Samuel 2:6
"The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.
blackheart
unenlightened
MobBoss said:
No, I label Christians who believe moral people who aren't Christians are going to the same hell as murderers and rapists as arrogant. I'm not talking in two extremes like you are.
viqsi
Chieftain
I would suggest that instead of saying "you're going to hell" it'd be more along the lines of "I have been taught that you'll go to hell." Because it really is what you've heard, strictly speaking.
I remain convinced that none of us actually know the genuine Word Of God to any degree of unerring perfection. We all still make mistakes in all parts of life, and thus making mistakes with regards to understanding God's Will can very well easily happen. (Especially, IMO, when translations come into being - which is why I'm uncomfortable with any English-language translation of the Bible or Torah or Quran or whatever being accepted as authoritative. But that's just me; YMMV.)
Far as I'm concerned, so long as we keep striving towards improving understanding rather than assuming we already know, we... well, not necessarily do what God wants, but at least get *closer* to it, ultimately. But, again, YMMV.
Oh, yeah, and I love Sharon dearly and hope for the best for him, and Mr. Robertson rather needs a severe attitude adjustment IMO.
I remain convinced that none of us actually know the genuine Word Of God to any degree of unerring perfection. We all still make mistakes in all parts of life, and thus making mistakes with regards to understanding God's Will can very well easily happen. (Especially, IMO, when translations come into being - which is why I'm uncomfortable with any English-language translation of the Bible or Torah or Quran or whatever being accepted as authoritative. But that's just me; YMMV.)
Far as I'm concerned, so long as we keep striving towards improving understanding rather than assuming we already know, we... well, not necessarily do what God wants, but at least get *closer* to it, ultimately. But, again, YMMV.
Oh, yeah, and I love Sharon dearly and hope for the best for him, and Mr. Robertson rather needs a severe attitude adjustment IMO.
Zany
Prince
I meant I used to support him and so in general I still do, just not anything he's said recently. It's like a band that turns bad. I would still call myself in general a fan of them, because they used to be good, but now they suck. See?
No, I didn't say that. I meant it doesn't matter who is right in international politics, because in general no one cars and crying foul won't change anything. Might won't change who or what is right, but no matter how sympathetic your plight is or how much you deserve something, it still doesn't matter unless you can win a war against your enemies.
Now, I can trust you aren't bein completely seriously, but you are following the same vein as Pat Robertson himself! God doesn't kill people like that, His way is final judgment. And how exactly is this scientific? Setting down philosophical requirements for a deity to be the true god is ridiculous. You atheists will complain that God requires people to believe in him to get into Heaven and that He should be "more" merciful (
), then you turn around and say He should become a divine assassins, just like Pat Robertson claimed he was!By the way, your avatar (and title) are ridiculous. The future is hardly yours. From within your union is beginning to collapse, all demography. You have an aging population and aborting yourselves to death (granted, the Satanic infanticide murder cult is rampant in America too) while Muslim births outnumber ethnic European ones 5 to 1 in parts of Western Europe. The UK, Portugal, Poland, and Denmark have indefinitely postponed all referendums on the Constitution, while France and the Netherlands (seemingly, at least from the average American viewpoint, two of the most EU-ish of European countries) voted against it.
Whether Europe will end with a jihad, collapse and attempted rebuilding by conservatives, or destruction by America after a joint EU-SCO coalition and invasion of the States is uncertain. But Europe has no hope, just industy, technology, and history from a past that drifts farther from the European Union every day.
viqsi
Chieftain
Zany said:
Even so, I wish them luck in trying. If Europe can pull that one off, it'll be one heck of an accomplishment. I'm just pretty skeptical of them being able to do it (as it seems you are as well).
Too bad.
VoodooAce
Emperor
Quasar1011 said:
Yeah.....uh, sure. And if my ear itches somebody's talking about me.
What does that have to do with my post, though.....what does a doctor have to do with PR....other than the obvious fact that he needs one that specializes in head cases?
Or are you, in some strange, roundabout way, saying that you DO believe that, despite all the black hearted hatred and biggotry, you still like him?
Hey, whatever.....but he's still evil.
MobBoss said:
Jesus does not equal god.
Regardless, an ominipotent god has no need for worshippers, so why would that god care if someone even believed in him? Is not leading a life based upon values that are universally considered 'good' sufficient to get into heaven...whatever that may be? If the only real test is whether you are willing to believe in a figurehead prophet without any evidence or convincing arguments then you are saying that god wants only the gullible in heaven, which is absurd.
Anyway, when will the next son of god suffer for our sins, because we have certainly committed just as many in the last two millenia as we did in the two leading up to his birth...
There are too many holes in Christianity. I share a deity with today's Christians, but the adherence to a dogma that changes for political reasons does not inspire faith.
bathsheba666
Fast 'n Bulbous
Winner said:He is a living proof that God doesn't exist. Any sane and rightful God would instantly kill him with a lighting or meteor (or whatever), because he couldn't stand the fact that such a fool can call himself His follower
Where is it written that God has to be sane and rightful?
What happens if he's just another underachiever, who furthermore is a lousy shot?
Another take on it is that you basically know a God by his works...
... so given Robertson, Ethiopia, and Israel, I'd say he's a slacker with an overly surreal sense of humour...
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
blackheart said:
Once again, bubbie, I gave you the bible passage...you read it yourself and draw your own conclusions, but to me, its pretty black and white. It does say the path is narrow after all....just "being good" doesnt quite make the cut.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
viqsi said:
No, I am just fine with saying what I believe thank you very much. Saying the "I have been taught" line means either a) I dont believe in what I have been taught or b) I dont have the balls to say what I believe.
And just like you I hope Mr. Sharon does recover and I pray for him and his nation.
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