More Psycho-babble from Pat Robertson

[Pontiuth Pilate]

There are plenty of religious fundamentalist christians that would never, ever say a thing like that, so yes, it certainly is psychobabble. As I stated before, he is going senile and losing it.

To be accurate you said Robertson has "lost his ability to think before he speaks" and he should have said something more diplomatic that would have been "well received."

I can understand that the PR impact of nutty old coot Robertson - assuming the mantle of Christianity and presuming to speak for all Christians - is uppermost in your mind I'm glad there's nobody like that presuming to speak for me.

 

[CaptainF]

Ah, but are they christians or atheists?

you sir, are hillarious. I mean, you do admire the current president so much, shouldn't you be aware of his convictions as well?

Of course they are.

so you mean, if one strives to live spiritually, morally, honorably, without hurting people, without deceiving people, without cheating people, that is a sin? I mean, after all, that is just what you strive to do is it not? I strive for the very same things outside the bounds of christianity, but my christian friends are PERFECTLY fine with it, as am I with their faith.

I often hear right wing christian fundamentalists talking a lot of hot crap about how the 'decline' of god has lead to a moral cesspool. But just WHOSE god are they talking about, hmm?

To paraphrase Asoka very roughly: "Cherish and respect all religions, for all cherish and respect purity of the heart."

My english is just fine, thank you very much. However, I will admit I wrote those comments in a hurry and they could have been written better.

Nah, I have a feeling that if you had taken the time, the same inflammatory rhetoric would have been only slightly more eloquent.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Meneer Robertson does have a habit of trying to put both feet in his mouth. It is symptomatic of the modern age, where it is far easier to get an electric television programme, a show on the wireless, or any exposure to the public.
He has a habit of saying something controversial on fairly regular intervals in order to keep up his profile and public exposure...

And then there is this interpretation...

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2129

 

[MobBoss]

To be accurate you said Robertson has "lost his ability to think before he speaks" and he should have said something more diplomatic that would have been "well received."

I can understand that the PR impact of nutty old coot Robertson - assuming the mantle of Christianity and presuming to speak for all Christians - is uppermost in your mind I'm glad there's nobody like that presuming to speak for me.

I said that in the thread regarding Robinsons remarks on ID in Penn. Sorry I didnt clarify that.

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

Oh oh the USA is in for some smiting.

That's exactly what Pat and his ilk call things like Hurricane Katrina. He is an IDiot.

 

[MobBoss]

you sir, are hillarious. I mean, you do admire the current president so much, shouldn't you be aware of his convictions as well?

You sir, need to realize that we have atheists in the military as well as christians, and a host of other faiths as well. I was simply pointing out the fact that its rather disingenous to say christian terrorists are bombing people from 20,000 feet in the air.

so you mean, if one strives to live spiritually, morally, honorably, without hurting people, without deceiving people, without cheating people, that is a sin? I mean, after all, that is just what you strive to do is it not? I strive for the very same things outside the bounds of christianity, but my christian friends are PERFECTLY fine with it, as am I with their faith.

Obviously you dont know a lot about christianity. If you dont believe Jesus and accept him as your saviour you are living in sin. Also, you cant be accepted into heaven either, without Jesus in your life. Sorry, I dont make the rules, I just try to live by them.

I often hear right wing christian fundamentalists talking a lot of hot crap about how the 'decline' of god has lead to a moral cesspool. But just WHOSE god are they talking about, hmm?

Uhm...I would think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph.

To paraphrase Asoka very roughly: "Cherish and respect all religions, for all cherish and respect purity of the heart."

Shrug. Asoka wasnt a christian.

Nah, I have a feeling that if you had taken the time, the same inflammatory rhetoric would have been only slightly more eloquent.

Thank you for your tolerance.

 

[classical_hero]

Why does anyone even bother to pay attention to him? It is obvious that he has lost his mind. And this is coming from a Fundamentalistic Christian.

 

[The Yankee]

Meneer Robertson does have a habit of trying to put both feet in his mouth. It is symptomatic of the modern age, where it is far easier to get an electric television programme, a show on the wireless, or any exposure to the public.
He has a habit of saying something controversial on fairly regular intervals in order to keep up his profile and public exposure...

Must have something to do with the foot fetish thread?

Though I'd agree with you. Robertson, although this is a normal occurrance, seems to have stepped it up this year. That or we're all really bored and paid more attention to his nonsensical garbage. In which case, we're not much better.

 

[CaptainF]

You sir, need to realize that we have atheists in the military as well as christians, and a host of other faiths as well. I was simply pointing out the fact that its rather disingenous to say christian terrorists are bombing people from 20,000 feet in the air.

Yes, we have religiously eclectic soldiers in our military, but who gave the go ahead to start it all? If you are allowed to credit him for catching terrorists and for protecting america, then you must also hold him responsible for any innocents he kills/tortures/violates in the process.

Also, you cant be accepted into heaven either, without Jesus in your life.

Muslims also have Jesus in their life. They consider him to be one of the principal prophets in their faith. So they will burn in hell as well?

I guess heaven is just one big bohemian grove, if you will.

Uhm...I would think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph.

Three people? Gee whiz, for the worlds biggest faith, they certainly don't account for many.

Christian people I know, or at least a lot of them, believe that castigating people because of their faith is arrogant and belligerent. Does this mean that they will burn in hell along with the other heathens?

Shrug. Asoka wasnt a christian.

Oh I agree! Then he must be stupid! And by the same logic, we must lodge Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, Wei Jingsheng and the Dalai Lama in along with the bastard!

It is this logic that I believe would make you a fine conquistador, if only this were the 1500's.

Thank you for your tolerance.

I believe it was Jesus who said the following:

"Don't judge others, so that you won't be judged by others, remove the log from your own eye before attending to the splinter in another's" (Matt 7:1–5)

 

[MobBoss]

Yes, we have religiously eclectic soldiers in our military, but who gave the go ahead to start it all? If you are allowed to credit him for catching terrorists and for protecting america, then you must also hold him responsible for any innocents he kills/tortures/violates in the process.

I would rather hold those immediately responsibe, as we did with the abusers from Abu Graib prison.

Muslims also have Jesus in their life. They consider him to be one of the principal prophets in their faith. So they will burn in hell as well?

They dont believe in him as messiah, so what do you think?

I guess heaven is just one big bohemian grove, if you will.

You are free to believe what you want.

Three people? Gee whiz, for the worlds biggest faith, they certainly don't account for many.

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Christian people I know, or at least a lot of them, believe that castigating people because of their faith is arrogant and belligerent. Does this mean that they will burn in hell along with the other heathens?

Exactly who am I castigating? If anything you are castigating me over my faith - needless to say the labels of arrogant and belligerent are yours, not mine.

Oh I agree! Then he must be stupid! And by the same logic, we must lodge Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, Wei Jingsheng and the Dalai Lama in along with the bastard!

Uhm, no, I never said he was stupid. I suppose it helps your arguement to convieniently put words in other peopls mouths.

It is this logic that I believe would make you a fine conquistador, if only this were the 1500's.

Shrug...and my logic would say you would make a fine Torquemada if only this were 1481.

I believe it was Jesus who said the following:

"Don't judge others, so that you won't be judged by others, remove the log from your own eye before attending to the splinter in another's" (Matt 7:1–5)

Obviously advice that you dont adhere to. Remember, you initially judged me, I am only responding to your post.

 

[CaptainF]

I will just state my peace.

I am not against religion. I am merely skeptical of it. I am not, however skeptical of Spirituality. Religion is a way to discover spirituality, but not the only way. Granted, i made a few pointed remarks, What i should have said regarding conquistadors is that it is that sort of logic that would drive them to do such things, without implicating you into it.

regarding Asoka, it appears that you judge the importance of a person, or what he says, by religion. Which i believe to be wrong. Is it that you believe wisdom only to be found within the confines of your faith? Faith, in my view, should encourage one to find wisdom, not to eschew it. Pope John Paul II even made contact with other faiths, seeking common ground with persons whom others might believe to be their enemies.

Challenging and examining ones beliefs, whilst honoring, challenging, and examining others, is to me a thing of valor.

I mean after all, if god created man with brains, then god must accept that man will think. Spirituality is something near and dear to all of us, so why hold a monopoly on it?

Spout whatever you want about sin and hell and heaven. I do not believe in living life as a contest. We return to the Earth eventually, so it is all irrelevant.

 

[blackheart]

Exactly who am I castigating? If anything you are castigating me over my faith - needless to say the labels of arrogant and belligerent are yours, not mine.

Implying someone is going to hell because they don't follow the strict doctrine you do is arrogant and belligerent.

 

[MobBoss]

regarding Asoka, it appears that you judge the importance of a person, or what he says, by religion. Which i believe to be wrong. Is it that you believe wisdom only to be found within the confines of your faith? Faith, in my view, should encourage one to find wisdom, not to eschew it. Pope John Paul II even made contact with other faiths, seeking common ground with persons whom others might believe to be their enemies.

Not at all. It might have cleared the whole issue up if you had asked this from the start. I certainly think that great people can contribute and be vitally important, irregardless of religion. Ghandi, for example, is such a person. I also find great wisdom in the writings of Sun Tzu and others non-christian thinkers in history.

Challenging and examining ones beliefs, whilst honoring, challenging, and examining others, is to me a thing of valor.

Well, in all honesty, I agree with you.

 

[MobBoss]

Implying someone is going to hell because they don't follow the strict doctrine you do is arrogant and belligerent.

No, its called having standards. It's a basic tenet of christianity that if you dont believe in Jesus, and dont repent from sin, guess what? Your going to hell. You can believe what you want, however, this is what is says in the bible and I believe this as part of my faith. It may not be politically correct to remind people of this unpleasant realization, but its still a basic tenet of the christian religion.

 

[Stapel]

No, its called having standards. It's a basic tenet of christianity that if you dont believe in Jesus, and dont repent from sin, guess what? Your going to hell. You can believe what you want, however, this is what is says in the bible and I believe this as part of my faith. It may not be politically correct to remind people of this unpleasant realization, but its still a basic tenet of the christian religion.

It's exactly what I dislike about Christianity

If people believe that someone who does not steal, does not kill, does not leave his wife&kids, and helps the poor and less able and does any universally considered good things, and refrains from any universally considered bad things, yet does NOT believe in Jesus at all, WILL go to hell, something is wrong, imho.

If people believe that someone who does not steal, does not kill, does not leave his wife&kids, and helps the poor and less able and does any universally considered good things, and refrains from any universally considered bad things, yet does NOT believe in Jesus at all, SHOULD go to hell, something is VERYwrong, imho.

So, the only good Christian, imho, is a Christian that does not support this part of the Christian message.
I think a good Christian disagrees with God, so to speak....

 

[Stapel]

Meneer Robertson does...

Meneer?????????

 

[blackheart]

No, its called having standards. It's a basic tenet of christianity that if you dont believe in Jesus, and dont repent from sin, guess what? Your going to hell. You can believe what you want, however, this is what is says in the bible and I believe this as part of my faith. It may not be politically correct to remind people of this unpleasant realization, but its still a basic tenet of the christian religion.

No, it is being arrogant. Use the brain between your ears because if God were benevolent why would someone go to hell for all eternity if they were a moral person? Blind faith?

 

[Japanrocks12]

I wish that he choked.

 

[MobBoss]

It's exactly what I dislike about Christianity

Shrug. You dont like it, go believe in something else. No one is forcing you to believe in Christianity.

If people believe that someone who does not steal, does not kill, does not leave his wife&kids, and helps the poor and less able and does any universally considered good things, and refrains from any universally considered bad things, yet does NOT believe in Jesus at all, WILL go to hell, something is wrong, imho.

Once again, I didnt write the bible, but that is what is says. Why should I lie about it to make you feel good? At least I am being honest.

If people believe that someone who does not steal, does not kill, does not leave his wife&kids, and helps the poor and less able and does any universally considered good things, and refrains from any universally considered bad things, yet does NOT believe in Jesus at all, SHOULD go to hell, something is VERYwrong, imho.

Didnt you just say that?

So, the only good Christian, imho, is a Christian that does not support this part of the Christian message.
I think a good Christian disagrees with God, so to speak....

So, to you, the only good christian is one that would compromise his faith in order to please you? IMHO, then they wouldnt be a christian at all.

 

[MobBoss]

No, it is being arrogant. Use the brain between your ears because if God were benevolent why would someone go to hell for all eternity if they were a moral person? Blind faith?

Sorry bub, I am just being honest. Either you can handle it or you cant. Ponder this:

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Sorry, not going to lie to you just to make you happy.