Multiculturalism

[Leonel]

Multiculturalism is okay but the host countries culture must be the culture that takes the prime attention. Much like you visiting someone's house. It's cool to teach your own culture and stuff but ultimately it's the one that owns the house that makes the rules.

 

[aneeshm]

So It would be good if an Indian upon arrival to Canada, for example, were forced to give up thier cultural traditions and blend into the bland North American Cultural landscape?

Yes, it would be good.

The converse also applies, however.

And I still don't understand the means of "force" in this context. I'd say that the state should neither make any special allowances for the immigrant's culture, nor even take it into account. It should be built around the dominant culture.

 

[aneeshm]

What if our dominant culture IS multiculturalism?

Then you're screwed.

 

[Winner]

We are all humans.

Which is the only thing we have in common.

Culture exists, ergo cultural differences exist. And differences often lead to a conflict.

 

[Winner]

Then you're screwed.

Exactly.

States are not build on differences, they're built on common ideas and common way of life, which is possible only if people have similar values.

 

[Rossiya]

Does that exist? Is it like China? I dont really understand if we can exhist in anthing but a multicultrual state..

The word is "homogenous" I believe. Examples are Japan.

 

[Winner]

Multi-culturalism should be only a temporary condition.

Culturally "homogenous" state --> immigration --> immigrant communities start assimilating (multi-cultural state) --> again culturally homogenous state.

Multiculturalism as an ideology saying that assimilation of immigrants is a big no-no should be declared a high treason.

edit:

Homogenous = belonging to the same "core culture". Cultural flavours like different cuisine don't matter.

 

[Rossiya]

Look at America. You could say the country is homogenous, in some ******** way, as everyone of them claims to be "American".

 

[bob bobato]

Of course you should allow multiculturalism... as long as they don't force your culture on everyone else. And a lot of countries barely have any culture. Take Canada. All we have is american culture and tourist-attracting-beavers. And random customs for villages and cities, like everywhere else.

 

[Goonie]

Exactly.

States are not build on differences, they're built on common ideas and common way of life, which is possible only if people have similar values.

A belief in multiculturalism is a common idea and common way of life.

You say multiculturalism can't work; yet Canada is a prime example of it thriving peacefully.

Get over yourself.

 

[Goonie]

Multiculturalism as an ideology saying that assimilation of immigrants is a big no-no should be declared a high treason.

Why?

What do you say to Canada and Canadians (and other sucessful examples of multiculturalism) that have maintain a sucessful policy of multiculturalism.

 

[Goonie]

Look at America. You could say the country is homogenous, in some ******** way, as everyone of them claims to be "American".

The U.S.A is not a homogenous state. Despite errors in this thread, referring to a state as homogenous is making reference to the ethnic make up of the state. Japan is considered a homogenous state because one ethnicity makes up over 90% of the population.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Look at America. You could say the country is homogenous, in some ******** way, as everyone of them claims to be "American".

America has historically been more homogenous then most countries, and especially most countries of its size.

The U.S.A is not a homogenous state. Despite errors in this thread, referring to a state as homogenous is making reference to the ethnic make up of the state. Japan is considered a homogenous state because one ethnicity makes up over 90% of the population.

Why should Homogeneity be determined soley by Race?

 

[jeps]

99% of every nation that IS NOT REFUGEEs consider themselves a national of that nation.

A sri-lankan canadian is canadian. a jewish canadian is canadian. a filipino canadian is candadian. does that mean that we are homogenous? no.

 

[Tee Kay]

Multiculturalism as an ideology saying that assimilation of immigrants is a big no-no should be declared a high treason.

No. I see it as an ideology that allow people to practise their own cultures in peace without discrimination or harassment from racist groups and promotes understanding between cultures, which is important to the success of the world economy and globalisation in general.

 

[Winner]

No. I see it as an ideology that allow people to practise their own cultures in peace without discrimination or harassment from racist groups and promotes understanding between cultures, which is important to the success of the world economy and globalisation in general.

Yeah, all that nice pseudo-liberal babble about how we're gonna live in peace and mutual tolerance. It works fine if the cultures are at least a bit similar and/or tolerant. When you mix two or more cultures of which one is intolerant and refuse to live in peace with the others, the whole concept goes down the toilet.

Countries and nations are entities based on internal coherence, which is to large extent based on a set of values, traditions etc. accepted by most of the citizens. Who doesn't accept them is thus a potential danger for the country, which is why he must assimilate or leave.

 

[Mott1]

No. I see it as an ideology that allow people to practise their own cultures in peace without discrimination or harassment from racist groups and promotes understanding between cultures, which is important to the success of the world economy and globalisation in general.

Perfect example of the dichotomous multiculturalist argument: We should celebrate diversity by emphasizing our ethinc differences while at the same time promoting the all-inclusive premise of cultural Integration. Which is it, cultural preserverance or cultural integration?

People seem to believe that the concept of multicuturalism actually encourages tolerance and celebrates diversity, but does it? There initially were two philosophies represented in the multicultural movement. The 'particularist' emphasized on preserving cultural distinctions while the 'pluralist' minimized the role of distinct cultures by emphasizing on the unification of all diverse cultures. As multiculturalism evolved into the prevailing ideology in our society, the particularist and pluralist philosophies morphed into one idea which is clearly represented in taillesskangarus argument above. In American society today, multicultralism translates to bigotry and doublestandards. Multiculturalism in our society demands, America must be the domain of all cultures, and is not to be identified as Eroupean-Christian. Ethnics and race must be celebrated, predjudice and hate discouraged, except where the indiginous population is concerned.
Multiculturalism is an abysmal failure, it was flawed from its inception.

 

[Goonie]

Yeah, all that nice pseudo-liberal babble about how we're gonna live in peace and mutual tolerance. It works fine if the cultures are at least a bit similar and/or tolerant. When you mix two or more cultures of which one is intolerant and refuse to live in peace with the others, the whole concept goes down the toilet.

Countries and nations are entities based on internal coherence, which is to large extent based on a set of values, traditions etc. accepted by most of the citizens. Who doesn't accept them is thus a potential danger for the country, which is why he must assimilate or leave.

Winner, can you stop pussyfooting around my simple and direct question.

What have you got to say about countries such as Canada where multiculturalism has been practised sucessfully for decades; where "pseudo-liberal babble" about living in peace, mutual tolerance, and prosperity has proven to be true despite the fact that the country is one of the most ethnically diverse in the world and contains lots of cultures that do battle against each other on other sides of the globe; and where the country is still internally cohesive, with an overarching set of values accepted by practically all of the citizens.

All of this being achieved without assimilation. How can you reasonably say that multiculturalism cannot work when it is working beautifully right here? Riddle me that.

 

[Goonie]

Mott1 - The U.S.A is not and has never been an example of practised multiculturalism.

Wrong country to look at if you want to study an example of multiculturalism.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Can somebody WIPE (Write in Plain English) that for me? I'm confused!

(Thank you)