Multipolarity III - Game Thread

[Tani Coyote]

Correctomundo Mr. Ninjacow. Everyone wants a piece of you!

 

[Patchy]

I'd like to know where that other force of Jeho's is going.

 

[Mathalamus]

OCC: Jehoshua, you are going to regret this. I assume I am correct in that this is a coordinated invasion of the Spammer's Crusade?

it is an invasion of the spammers Crusade. you control parts of Anatolia, which is, rightfully, ours. Greek Manifest Destiny, you understand.

 

[Patchy]

But the Greeks aren't in Anatolia... Just call it imperialism, we're fine with that.

 

[Mathalamus]

But the Greeks aren't in Anatolia... Just call it imperialism, we're fine with that.

well, im planning to use diplomacy to get the rest of the Greek held lands. if possible, of course.

 

[Ailedhoo]

OOC: Jeho did not invite me to join in the fun?

IC: The Imperium offers its services to aid His Holiness, the Byzantines and the holy Crusaders against the spamming infidels. Your wish is our command.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Poland, as a fellow client of his Holiness, reminds the Manx that the Imperium's military is already the Pope's to control as per the terms of the client agreement. The alternative is to remain wide open to British assault, and as His Holiness likely isn't interested in a conflict with ARMS as well as the HITSGDP, there really is no other option.

 

[Mathalamus]

OOC: Jeho did not invite me to join in the fun?

IC: The Imperium offers its services to aid His Holiness, the Byzantines and the holy Crusaders against the spamming infidels. Your wish is our command.

Emperor Andreas I could have sworn that the Pope did invite you. arent you a vassal of the Papal states anyway?

 

[Jehoshua]

Emperor Andreas I could have sworn that the Pope did invite you. arent you a vassal of the Papal states anyway?

No His Holiness did not invite the manx, feeling it prudent to inform only those to whom it directly pertained in a minimalist sense, after the Spammers Crusades declaration of war on the papal states. Thus we only called upon our DP's with Sinai and Byzantium due to them bordering the Spammers Crusade, rather than on all our associates and clients in fidelity to Catholic social doctrine which demands the proportional force be used in conflict, and also to indicate our intent that the war not expand into a broader conflict. Which of course reminds me, any intervention by a third party in this defensive war initiated by the Spammers Crusade, naturally, will invoke our defensive pacts with Japan, Solitude, Britain, The Canadian States (by legal succession from the DP with Canada) and numerous other powers. So one would suggest refraining from intervention in the interests of ensuring the broader peace remains intact.

(Note: I warned you NC, publically and notoriously, that proposing the UN resolution you indicated would be taken as a declaration of war, since it would be a direct attack on the sovereign rights of the papal states [particularly pertinent with regards to your hostile embargo of the Papal States and the direct attack on the Catholic faith via promoting and supporting an antipope]. I very rarely lie about such things in games such as this.)

 

[NinjaCow64]

To the Papal States we say come on. You know that proposals in the UN are not valid caucus bellis as much as I do. Nobody declared war on you after you tried to disband the UN, did they? This is just an excuse for a blatant and unethical invasion of the Spammers' Crusade. Even your ally Byzantium agrees that this is blatant imperialism.

In any case, the Spammers' Crusade calls upon all their Defensive Pacts to be honoured and that war is declared against the Papal Alliance. We also wish to call upon all honourable nations in the world to denounce the Papal Alliance for their blatant imperialism. Finally, we wish to place all members of the Papal Alliance on the HITSGDP emabrgo list.

You want a war? You're going to get one.

 

[Mathalamus]

Constantinople, 2510

Emperor Andreas the first, of the Komnenos Dynasty has stated his will to personally lead the troops into battle, as if he were a general. Quite a number of people objected to this, saying that it ius more important to have an Governor than a General, but he overruled the objections by saying that he attended and graduated the war academy, specializing in tank warfare. it would be a giant waste of effort, money, and time, to stay at the White Palace, watching news of the war stream in.

He will command one of the Armies. it is not known which one, but it is suggested his army will Secure Anatolia, before striking at Aleppo.

(a turn takes one year, so its definitely possible to do both.)

EDIT: i may agree that it is blatant imperialism... But Byzantium wants Anatolia. i guess we have the same reason then.

 

[Jehoshua]

To the Papal States we say come on. You know that proposals in the UN are not valid caucus bellis as much as I do. Nobody declared war on you after you tried to disband the UN, did they? This is just an excuse for a blatant and unethical invasion of the Spammers' Crusade. Even your ally Byzantium agrees that this is blatant imperialism.

In any case, the Spammers' Crusade calls upon all their Defensive Pacts to be honoured and that war is declared against the Papal Alliance. We also wish to call upon all honourable nations in the world to denounce the Papal Alliance for their blatant imperialism. Finally, we wish to place all members of the Papal Alliance on the HITSGDP emabrgo list.

You want a war? You're going to get one.

Only if its in the national interests of your supposed allies, and only if they ignore the fact that you initiated the war, and that we warned you publically before that your actions would be taken as such. Afterall, is it really in their interests to come to the defence of a nation which as of the update will not actually exist? (oh and Sinai and Byzantium are getting the vast majority of the land (so imperialism for them it may be, although the de-jure reason for their involvement is DP with Il Papa), Im just consoling myself with your extirpation and the securing of the Holy Land and malta (three provinces) under a less partisan power. I'm not doing a Russia here )

Oh and by the way, the dissolution of the UN we proposed is a quantitatively different situation in the manner it relates to other states. It doesn't propose to infringe on any nations sovereign liberty, or direct their policies. Your proposal on the other hand is a direct attack on sovereignty and thus is a direct threat to... to put it bluntly, every state in the game. Oh and at the same time your support of an antipope and embargo against the Papal States is, with regards to the antipope, an act of war against the Catholic Church of which the Holy See is the sovereign representative, and with regards to the embargo, you have shown unmitigated economic agression against the Papal States in an attempt to impose your point of view via harming our interests. So taking this in full, all in all I believe we have a very reasonable cassus belli against you, in addition to, as I said, a very clear case that you are the aggressor in this conflict (which incidentally voids any claim to your DP's having been invoked).

Got to love the fact I study International relations

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PS EDIT: Also, I have WMD's, all the better to deter other nations from becoming involved lest they get a facefull of holy fire

 

[Mathalamus]

Afterall, is it really in their interests to come to the defence of a nation which as of the update will not actually exist?

what if they put up a better fight than expected? one of the allied invasions may fail horribly, setting things back a turn.

 

[Jehoshua]

what if they put up a better fight than expected? one of the allied invasions may fail horribly, setting things back a turn.

The Papal Statisticians are quit certain that the chances of the Spammer Crusade surviving is very low. Of course its not impossible, but considering the numerical and qualitative superiority of the forces involved, and the element of surprise, it is unlikely.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Only if its in the national interests of your supposed allies, and only if they ignore the fact that you initiated the war, and that we warned you publically before that your actions would be taken as such. Afterall, is it really in their interests to come to the defence of a nation which as of the update will not actually exist? (oh and Sinai and Byzantium are getting the vast majority of the land (so imperialism for them it may be, although the de-jure reason for their involvement is DP with Il Papa), Im just consoling myself with your extirpation and the securing of the Holy Land and malta (three provinces) under a less partisan power.)

You warned us publicly, but our proposal was very different from the one that you so objected against. We still maintain that UN proposals are not valid reasons for war, if one did not wish to follow my UN proposals then they would simply just have to leave the UN.

Oh and by the way, the dissolution of the UN we proposed is a quantitatively different situation in the manner it relates to other states. It doesn't propose to infringe on any nations sovereign liberty, or direct their policies. Your proposal on the other hand is a direct attack on sovereignty and thus is a direct threat to... to put it bluntly, every state in the game. Oh and at the same time your support of an antipope and embargo against the Papal States is, with regards to the antipope, an act of war against the Catholic Church of which the Holy See is its sovereign representative, and with regards to the embargo, unmitigated economic agression against the Papal States in an attempt to impose your point of view via harming our interests. So taking this in full, all in all I believe we have a very reasonable cassus belli against you, in addition to, as I said, a very clear case that you are the aggressor.

Got to love the fact I study International relations

So now you are saying that because we allow freedom of religion in our state that is also a valid caucus belli? That's a terrible caucus belli.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Badly translated documentation of the reaction to the invasion by the Pope:

NARRATOR: IN A.D. 2510, WAR WAS BEGINNING.

KENJI: WHAT HAPPEN ?

MOREAWESOMETHANOTHERS: SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB.

YOSHI: WE GET SIGNAL.

KENJI: WHAT !!

YOSHI: MAIN SCREEN TURN ON.

KENJI: IT'S YOU !!

POPE: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN !!

POPE: ALL YOUR SPAM ARE BELONG TO US.

POPE: YOU ARE ON THE WAY TO DESTRUCTION.

KENJI: WHAT YOU SAY !!

POPE: YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.

POPE: HA HA HA HA ....

YOSHI: CAPTAIN !!

KENJI: TAKE OFF EVERY 'SOLDIER' !!

KENJI: YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DOING.

KENJI: MOVE 'SOLDIERS'.

KENJI: FOR GREAT JUSTICE.

 

[Jehoshua]

You warned us publicly, but our proposal was very different from the one that you so objected against. We still maintain that UN proposals are not valid reasons for war, if one did not wish to follow my UN proposals then they would simply just have to leave the UN.

The proposal you sent us was the precursor of the one you made, which was just a modification of it. Superficial alterations does not a qualitatively different scenario make. Oh, and with regards to leaving the UN may I point you to a subsection of article III you proposed "All nations who are members of the Union of Nations are expected to embargo nations who are not members". Basically you would have it that if a state (say the papal states) disagrees with you, everyone should embargo them. This is an attack on those nations through the UN institution, and directly makes the UN's development a matter of national papal security.

So now you are saying that because we allow freedom of religion in our state that is also a valid caucus belli? That's a terrible caucus belli.

Ad hoc putting words into my mouth. We care not for your freedom of religion. What we do care about is the state sponsorship and support of the Noidian Antipope, and the Spammer states direct attacks on the Catholic faith along the noidian line. This active support of schism and opposition to the Catholic Church, as we said, is an act of war against the Catholic faith of which the Holy See is the sovereign representative.

This is quite different from freedom of religion as it was held before our two nations falling out, and is held to this day by many other nations.

 

[NinjaCow64]

The proposal you sent us was the precursor of the one you made, which was just a modification of it. Superficial alterations does not a qualitatively different scenario make. Oh, and with regards to leaving the UN may I point you to a subsection of article III you proposed "All nations who are members of the Union of Nations are expected to embargo nations who are not members". Basically you would have it that if a state (say the papal states) disagrees with you, everyone should embargo them. This is an attack on those nations through the UN institution, and directly makes the UN's development a matter of national papal security.

Hmm, that's interesting, because that section was removed in the final version of the proposal. Are you saying that you declared war on the Spammers' Crusade over a proposal that you did not even properly read over? If so, that would be an even worse casus belli than we thought.

Ad hoc putting words into my mouth. We care not for your freedom of religion. What we do care about is the state sponsorship and support of the Noidian Antipope, and the Spammer states direct attacks on the Catholic faith along the noidian line. This active support of schism and opposition to the Catholic Church, as we said, is an act of war against the Catholic faith of which the Holy See is the sovereign representative.

This is quite different from freedom of religion as it was held before our two nations falling out, and is held to this day by many other nations.

We do not actively fund the Noidain Church. In fact he sponsored his organization purely through his own funds. There is a big difference between allowing and actively supporting a religion, one that you have obviously ignored in this attack against our nation.

 

[Jehoshua]

Hmm, that's interesting, because that section was removed in the final version of the proposal. Are you saying that you declared war on the Spammers' Crusade over a proposal that you did not even properly read over? If so, that would be an even worse casus belli than we thought.

It was removed after many nations complained, and rightly so. However that does not change the fact it was proposed, and that it clearly showed the Spammers Crusade to be adversarial to our interests. Not to mention, the making such a proposal in itself we said would be taken as a declaration of war. This fact remains irrespective of alterations made at the request of third parties.

We do not actively fund the Noidain Church. In fact he sponsored his organization purely through his own funds. There is a big difference between allowing and actively supporting a religion, one that you have obviously ignored in this attack against our nation.

Funding is irrelevant to what we have said. The fact that you are continuing to attempt to shift the point onto other areas simply showcases the truth that subsists within our statements. It is fact, that the Spammer government has supported schism within the Catholic Church and promoted the Noidian cause within its territory, to deny this is to deny reality itself.

 

[Mathalamus]

Emperor Andreas I has promised to the people of Syria that they will have full rights as Byzantine citizens, and be able to go about their lives with very little, if any, change. with that said, we are pushing through a number of laws to make their lives easier.