Multipolarity IV Game Thread

[Tani Coyote]

Ramblings of Volunteers

As the Scandinavian War rapidly grows into a war that engulfs the Atlantic and threatened to even erupt into a world war, more and more people are growing concerned for the conflict’s resolution. There are reports that citizens from all over the world are banding into forces to try and go abroad to assist forces on both sides. Less bold individuals are lobbying their governments to embargo or assist one power or the other.

What will the result of a war with the Leth and Syndicates on one side, and the CSA, New America, and Iceland-Norway on the other be?

Slave Trade In the Minor Powers

If interested in purchasing slaves please go to the relevant discussion.

Buying:

Nicaragua has a large labor shortage and wishes to alleviate this. We are open to offers; slaves are likely to be freed upon conversion to Zeta Catholicism.
Libya requires more serfs.
Korea’s infrastructure is kind of in the crapper. More people are always welcome.
Brazil’s sugar plantations won’t harvest themselves.
Oman has a labor shortage.
Kenya needs more labor.
Tamil has a shortage it must remedy as well.
Amazonia’s vast jungles need large amounts of cheap labor to clear and farm.

Selling:

Sulawesi offers 20,000 slaves.
Timor offers 5,000.
New Guinea offers 30,000.
Hawai’I offers 40,000.
Philippines offers 40,000.
Australia will be selling all rebel soldiers it captures into slavery abroad.

The Split Catholic Church

Since no one's taken up the opportunity I've just gone ahead and split the states that would class as Roman Catholic into various branches:

-Zetan Catholicism follows a Pope in Zeta territory. Predominant in North America and some of South America.
-Chilean Catholicism follows a Pope from Argentina. Main Catholic branch in South America.
-Polish Catholicism follows the Pope in Warsaw. Primarily European.
-Namib Catholicism follows the Pope in Namibia. Primarily African.
-Australian Catholicism follows the Pope in Queensland, Australia.
-Chinese Catholicism follows the Pope in the 501st Legion. It has enjoyed its greatest pull among the 501st Legion and the "persuasive" Yunnan regime.

Obvious backstory is that when the world was first rocked, the various archbishops assumed authority of various regional bureaucracies in the Vatican’s absence. The branches would reunify under Rome when things blew over.

Things did not blow over. Over time the various Catholic churches have each laid claim to large chunks of the faithful.

That's not to say one can't agree to reunite them, of course.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Acutally, nevermind about the FEBB, let's just retcon that. I've got a better idea.

Still an NGO, put me down as "Spartacus".

 

[Mathalamus]

the Disintegration of Catholicism is welcome news for the Roman Empire. after all, Catholicism broke away from Constantinople when it could not control the Roman Pope. serves you right.

(I know it might be the other way around, but...eh, this is the *Roman* empire, after all...)

however, we will not try to unify the church. frankly, its impossible. the catholic church and people would never accept it.

we do welcome Catholic to Orthodox converts, though.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Didn't think I'd create this slave mechanic just to let it go to waste didja mates?

Kirov announces that its democracy has reached a consensus: to aid the country's ailing infrastructure, funds will be raised by shipping society's undesirables overseas to the highest bidder.

Kirov announces the sale of 100,000 convicts, indentured servants, and mail order brides.

Yunnan has pardoned the execution of some 5,000 death row inmates in favor of slavery abroad.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Kirov announces that its democracy has reached a consensus: to aid the country's ailing infrastructure, funds will be raised by shipping society's undesirables overseas to the highest bidder.

Kirov announces the sale of 100,000 convicts, indentured servants, and mail order brides.

OOC: I may not be NPCGM anymore but I have to say: Kirov is meant to be one of the anti-slaver powers in light of George Orwell. I would suggest another power...

 

[arya126]

New America wishes to send its initial message to reserve all of the slaves and servants up for sale. They will be freed after 6 years of service in the army, receiving pay the entire time, and have the option to remain in the military. More details later.

 

[Tyo]

You just cut ties with Kirov like 10 minutes ago.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Just preemptively stating the position of NPCGM has been abolished and I have decided that as GM to keep it within the auspices of my office for convenience and ease of management.

This statement being made because of certain "threats" being made against me.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Just preemptively stating the position of NPCGM has been abolished and I have decided that as GM to keep it within the auspices of my office for convenience and ease of management.

This statement being made because of certain "threats" being made against me.

OOC: You gone against your word I see. I do remember you saying you could keep it open in case I got less stress.

Also: Chatango is not to be bought up on thread. That is directive.

Finally: the whole argument began over Kirov and my case that it made no sense as a society for Kirov for be pro-slavery, especially in some of the argument that were used to "justify" it was... questionable and face palm generating.

 

[NinjaCow64]

SPARTACUS

What was the worst weapon that man has created? Sticks and stones may break our bones but chains kill our liberty. There is a power in the whip and the chain, greater than the power than a gun or a sword. Swords kill our bodies, but chains kill our humanity. It makes men into animals, mules to build the palaces of the kings and the queens. There is great power in the whip and the chain. But what they do not realise is that they are not the only ones with the power. When you put a man in chains, they give us a new identity, one that cannot be taken by anything, not even death. Spartacus is the name of that bond. When a great man led his men to freedom, his followers would not let the masters find him, on that they, and from that day forward, they were all Spartacus.

From the city of Rome, the colonies of Europe, the plantations of the South,

All chains must break, all who hold the whip must die,

We are the sword who will break them, we are the reaper who will take them,

We are Spartacus.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Slave purchases are done through bidding rather than reservations, so... feel free to go offer money for the batches, folks.

As a note it is possible to buy slaves just to free them. Kirov only wants them gone, they don't care what you do with them.

Meanwhile NPCs will readily liquidate their pools of slaves if no human players buy them up.

 

[Ailedhoo]

As a note it is possible to buy slaves just to free them. Kirov only wants them gone, they don't care what you do with them.

OOC: "Removing dissidents" is not in character for Kirov, especially in consideration for a democratic society. It makes sense for Burgendy to expel its "undesirables" but Kirov? Will Morocco next become pro-colonial?

I suggest we do a referendum to deploy whether the GM should play the nations well or not.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Kirov is, by word of GM, a society that is directly democratic with practically zilch minority protections. The electorate have voted with their new Premier's idea that there are some people who cannot safely remain within Kirov's borders without being a risk to the socialist machinery. They are all to be deported, whether as slaves or otherwise is not important.

We had enough referenda I believe. It is better for management that the NPCs remain under my jurisdiction.

Anyway, this discussion would derail the thread so I shall not continue it any further.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Kirov is, by word of GM, a society that is directly democratic with practically zilch minority protections. The electorate have voted with their new Premier's idea that there are some people who cannot safely remain within Kirov's borders without being a risk to the socialist machinery. They are all to be deported, whether as slaves or otherwise is not important.

We had enough referenda I believe. It is better for management that the NPCs remain under my jurisdiction.

Anyway, this discussion would derail the thread so I shall not continue it any further.

OOC: listen kid; I took time to produce that NPC list and that time is something one does not disrespect. I took time to produce my duties as a NPCGM: the reason I left was stress but I enjoyed enhancing the world by acting out the nations. Kirov is not a society of "zero minority" protection. Socialism does not mean "screw minorities." This... characture you made, this generalisation... is not what I sacrifice hours for.

There has been petitions and your actions only repeat the notion that "GMs should have absolute authority" is a mistaken notion.

You either play out nations as nations as I did or make your mechanics suitable only for 13 year olds. What ever the case your actions here are not justified.

 

[Patchy]

OOC: listen kid; I took time to produce that NPC list and that time is something one does not disrespect. I took time to produce my duties as a NPCGM: the reason I left was stress but I enjoyed enhancing the world by acting out the nations. Kirov is not a society of "zero minority" protection. Socialism does not mean "screw minorities." This... characture you made, this generalisation... is not what I sacrifice hours for.

There has been petitions and your actions only repeat the notion that "GMs should have absolute authority" is a mistaken notion.

You either play out nations as nations as I did or make your mechanics suitable only for 13 year olds. What ever the case your actions here are not justified.

Listen aillied, you gave up all rights to the NPCs when you stopped being the NPCGM so you don't get to criticize Tani abou t how he runs them.

May I say that I prefer his was with NPCs that actually respond to you and take into account influence than your version of "I'll respond only if I want to".

 

[Lighthearter]

Making this statement now. I don't want to see something like this come creeping back. Everyone please drop it for the betterment of the community and discuss any issues you have in private so we won't get a MAD repeat.

I won't take sides. Move along. Work this out through sane discussion instead of ranting.

-L

 

[Ailedhoo]

Listen aillied, you gave up all rights to the NPCs when you stopped being the NPCGM so you don't get to criticize Tani abou t how he runs them.

Pardon? I am forbidden from criticising?! I created the NPCs, so I have a notion to them in consideration. I made the NPCs and I wish them to be played well: from a perspective Tani is throwing all my work out the window. He should really just make all the nations blanks to be claimed like land in IOT 12 of 13 if he really does not care of my work: it be more honourable than making mockeries of it all.

May I say that I prefer his was with NPCs that actually respond to you and take into account influence than your version of "I'll respond only if I want to"

Keep in mind it was my first time NPCGMing (or GMing in general). Although keep in mind it took hours to produce those NPCs.

Making this statement now. I don't want to see something like this come creeping back. Everyone please drop it for the betterment of the community and discuss any issues you have in private so we won't get a MAD repeat.

I won't take sides. Move along. Work this out through sane discussion instead of ranting.

-L

Too late: Tani already shot. I did attempt discussion with Tani but he only gave face palm generating responses. Hence my stance here.

All remember this?

Confirming that the above was discussed with me in chat.

I shall be assuming control of the NPCs for the turn and intend to revamp them next turn.

Thank you for your time and effort, Ailedhoo. Hopefully you will return when your stress levels are lower, whether as a player or a GM.

That was a kind side to Tani, noting my effort.

I do not want the other side to destroy my efforts by mocking what I created. I have a list of NPC reactions to the anti-slavery UN bill. I will release it to give a idea of what I had in mind as a NPCGM for how nations would take to slaves... and in some cases to the UN (note that not all the no were slavers; some just disliked the UN interfering on national policy.).

Spoiler :

Player Nation Vote Comment
Antoinette Brown Blackwell United States of Cascadia Yes Freedom should not be underestimated
Thomas Hobbes United Kingdom of America (Great Plains) No The UN is breaking national soverietry!
John Locke Mayan Federation Abstains
Sam and Max Police States of America (New England) Yes
Richard Darkins Dominion of Nicaragua Yes
Tyrion Lannister Kingdom of Panama Abstains
Che Guevara Socialist Confederecy of the Caribean Yes Capitalism is showing its true colours!
GLaDOS Peoples Protectorate of the Amazon Rainforest No We need our test subjects!
Aristotle Polity Allaince of Brazillian Cities No Say yes to the slave trade and its benefits!
Papa Smurf Commune Caracas Yes Be nice!
Corazon Santiago Sparten Federation (Colombia) No Power is the path to free yourselfs, not the UN.
Alex DeLarge Horrowshow Lands of Ecuador No The UN is being bossy hay?
Deirdre Skye Gaian Communes of Guyana Yes
Antonio Gramsci Socialist Republic of Peru Yes
Sandro Necrocracy of Venezuela No
Karl Mark Workers Union of Aragon Yes
Friedrich Nietzsche Dominion of the Ubermench (Belarus) Abstains
Dan Quayle Peoples Democratic Utopia of Bohemia Abstains
Jean-Jacques Rousseau Free Republic of Britanny Abstains
Carl Schmitt Dictatorship of Belgium (Burgundy) No You know the UN is questioning national rights?
Immanuel Kant Republic of Finland Yes National rights over the rights of the people that make up nations?
Plato Just Republic of Greece No
Niccolò Machevlli Republic of Italy No I am anti-slavery but I oppose nations being chained
George Orwell United Communities of Kirov Yes
Rasputin Theocracy of Komi Abstains
Doom Dictatorship of Latvia No
Adam Smith United Kingdom of Lusitania Yes
Christine de Pizan Kingdom of Occitania No This is a step to outlaw servedom!
Weatherwax Witchdom of Petrograd Yes
Ayn Rand Free Ryazan Abstains I am keeping out of the UN anyway
Thomas More Serene Republic of Sweden Abstains
JC Denton Democracy of Switzerland Yes
Zoidberg Democratic Principelity of Transylvania Abstains
Prokhor Zakharov Academic Provinces of the Volgograd Institute Abstains
Sun Tzu Warrior Realm of Angola Abstains
Michel Foucault Poststate of Ashanti Yes
Nana Asma’u Sultanate of Benin Abstains
Javert Police State of Cameroon No The UN is questioning a nation's indepedence
Hypatia of Alexandria Wise Union of the Nile (Egypt) Abstains
Cacame Awemedinade Kingdom of Gabon No Screw the UN! No king should be told what to do!
Sheng-Ji Yang Orderly State of Kenya No The slavers are maintaining a order democracy lacks
Moses Maimonides United Emirates of Libya Abstains
Frantz Fanon Free Nations of the Morocco Pact Yes No to slavery and colonialism!
Martin Luther King United States of Namibia Yes Please not the slave trade again…
Ron Paul Free Republic of Nigeria No The market's hand, not the UN, will end slavery!
Dambisa Moyo Federal Republic of Rhodesia Yes We are in the 23rd century yes?
Haile Selassie Abyssinian Empire Abstains
Sid Meier Civilized Empire of Swaziland No I have decided to adopt the slavery civic
Ibn Khaldun United Communites of Afghanistan Abstains
Malcom X United Wali Emirates of Arabia Yes
Sun Wukong Heavenly Kingdom of Bengal Abstains
Laozi Inner Dominion of Burma Yes
Gayatri Spivak League of Hindustan Yes
Kim Jong Un Best Korea No The UN is being a bully!
Ghandi Holy Collective of Maratha Yes
al-Kindi Republic of Oman Abstains
Nizam Al Mulk Sultanate of Rajputana Abstains
Pravin Lal United Republic of Tamil Yes Tyrany is unaccetable!
George Kingdom of Yunnan No We follow the golden way!
Rupert Murdoch Corporate Empire of Australia (West) Yes
Helen Incorporate States of Australia (East) No
Confucius Heavenly Empire of Brunei No I would have said yes but I have bowed to the Crimson Lord!
Ban Zhao Kingdom of Sulawesi Abstains Brunei says no but yes would help… what to do?
Sir Humphrey Appleby Commonwealth of Tasmania Abstains
Mao Zedong Peoples Republic of Timor Abstains
Nwabudike Morgan Ōpūnui Incorporated States (Hawaii) Abstains
M Kingdom of New Guinea Abstains
Robert Mugabe Republic of the Philippines No

Now Kirov was one of the anti-slaver nations. Kirov has not been under any revolution or been couped (yet) so it must be active in consideration. This especially as how it was based.

To this end the NPCGM's work should be respected and I would suggest Tani a deal: keep to a consideration of continuity in links with my work and you can expand greatly from there.

 

[Nukeknockout]

Pardon? I am forbidden from criticising?! I created the NPCs, so I have a notion to them in consideration. I made the NPCs and I wish them to be played well: from a perspective Tani is throwing all my work out the window. He should really just make all the nations blanks to be claimed like land in IOT 12 of 13 if he really does not care of my work: it be more honourable than making mockeries of it all.

To this end the NPCGM's work should be respected and I would suggest Tani a deal: keep to a consideration of continuity in links with my work and you can expand greatly from there.

Ailed. Tani doesn't have to negotiate with you.

I get what you're saying - sometimes I make things, and I expend every ounce of creativity within me and it feels like my blood is in and of the created. And it hurts to see it taken a direction which I could not have ever foreseen. It feels like a betrayal of purpose, a failing of the other one.

But the reality here is that Tani is the GM - he doesn't have to negotiate with you ever since you resigned as NPCGM.

Even if he wasn't the GM, you signed over those NPCs, that work, when you made them for this game. It would be better for the thread's stability not to fight too much about it - democracies do stupid things, Ailed. Especially direct democracies. I don't find it so absurd that, under mob rule, a nation might decide to, say, get rid of all lawyers. And if the lawyers are a small enough percentage of society, that's what happens in a direct democracy.

Or if it once opposed the slave trade, to change its mind when slavery is presented in a better light, or perhaps under a less harsh name - convict servitude, perhaps?

It's dark and its cruel, but people really are that stupid and mean.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Ailed. Tani doesn't have to negotiate with you.

I get what you're saying - sometimes I make things, and I expend every ounce of creativity within me and it feels like my blood is in and of the created. And it hurts to see it taken a direction which I could not have ever foreseen. It feels like a betrayal of purpose, a failing of the other one.

But the reality here is that Tani is the GM - he doesn't have to negotiate with you ever since you resigned as NPCGM.

While I did resign but that does not mean he should disrespect the work. Tani has to negotiate with me since they are my creations and ones creations are not fully separated.

Even if he wasn't the GM, you signed over those NPCs, that work, when you made them for this game. It would be better for the thread's stability not to fight too much about it - democracies do stupid things, Ailed. Especially direct democracies. I don't find it so absurd that, under mob rule, a nation might decide to, say, get rid of all lawyers. And if the lawyers are a small enough percentage of society, that's what happens in a direct democracy.

Funny fact: it was not a direct democracy. There are two direct democracies in MP4: Switzerland and Commune Caracas.

Funnier fact: Kirov is a representative democracy.

Still: they were in the end of the day my creations and while I did resign I did not say "o and you can disrespect everything I done." Granted I did not set a signature of protection for my work but still in the name of honour and respect Tani should respect my nations. May nations were set with the leaders in order to drive how the societies would be: George Orwell for instance played Kirov.

Or if it once opposed the slave trade, to change its mind when slavery is presented in a better light, or perhaps under a less harsh name - convict servitude, perhaps?

It's dark and its cruel, but people really are that stupid and mean.

I am not a optimist but I am also not cynical either: both are two extremes and extremes can be ill. Humans are born neutral; they can be stupid, they can be mean, they can be smart, they can be kind. To blank them all as one is... to not take full account.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Let us drop this subject, please. It is derailing the thread.