Nationalism-fueled history

[Masada]

I don't there's a single 'real'1 Australian in this thread. Lord_Baal is of Semitic stock, I'm from the wrong side of the Tasman and TK is from Asia...

1. Real: defined as being a Bogan; or of Northern European descent with some long-standing relationship to this country; or some kind of nationalist moron; the three are usually closely related.

 

[Leoreth]

Also, the only thing that's nationalistic here is inferring people's beliefs from their nationality

 

[Ice_Tyrant]

I remember a fellow from Albania that used to post here that would give me many lols since he would always show up on any thread relating to Serbia.

Every know and then I'll just go through national anthem video's on youtube to find this kinda stuff, see it a lot with serbiia/albania and Israel/the middle east.

 

[r16]

am perfectly capable of feeding myself .

nationalist hence false is the primary concentration o'mine in this thread , because it can easily became a justification to the much used and much abused existencial threat thing . My country , according to pro-goverment newspapers are on the verge of becoming a great power . Will not agree and why should ı ? Though me being an idiot will not make much difference . People would have issues with identifiying the current direction of the country as nationalist , yet it doesn't stop transformation of history according to political needs . Did you know execution of the PM of 1950-60 with two of his ministers were the most shameful thing ever in not only Turkish but world history ? Military is hammered only because the masters , not exactly in country , have decided the entire run of problems in my country will cease if the hate of the people is directed to now toothless military and a new form of guided something can be applied . Will not solve anything , because the masters have already promised half the country to the seperatists and wannabe liberals and whatever that might come to your mind and by that ı don't mean those bleak practically useless mountains . We will be fighting on Darwinian terms , even when we reject the theory of Evolution . It will be forced on us .

this country is slated to be overrun and ı don't expect anybody remotely Turkish will be heard , let alone listened to , when our time comes . Let History remember before it happenz , we are simply writing our epithapts . Can't spekl anything you know .

 

[Vylinius]

American history books, at least the books in California, are filled with nationalism and constant inaccurate representations of politics, economics, war, and well just about everything in general. Every chapter or section or whatever in each book always has some sort of spin sometimes its democratic, or republican, and even a little pure American ultra nationalism I mean patriotism.

Edit: Sorry for the massive run-on sentence.
2nd Edit: Alright I get it I can't type proper English.

 

[Lord Baal]

Punctuation is your friend. It helps us to understand what you're saying by breaking it up somewhat.

 

[Graceheart the Leopard]

English grammar is also your friend.

 

[mediterreania]

American history books, at least the books in California, are filled with nationalism and constant inaccurate representations of politics, economics, war, and well just about everything in general. Every chapter or section or whatever in each book always has some sort of spin sometimes its democratic, or republican, and even a little pure American ultra nationalism I mean patriotism.

Edit: Sorry for the massive run-on sentence.
2nd Edit: Alright I get it I can't type proper English.

That reminds me of the Simpsons episode where there are two boxes of discarded textbooks: "1950: too racist" and "1990: not racist enough".

A bunch of competing political interests doesn't make education balanced, it makes it biased in all of those different directions, even when it's contradictory.

 

[Joecoolyo]

American history books, at least the books in California, are filled with nationalism and constant inaccurate representations of politics, economics, war, and well just about everything in general. Every chapter or section or whatever in each book always has some sort of spin sometimes its democratic, or republican, and even a little pure American ultra nationalism I mean patriotism.

Edit: Sorry for the massive run-on sentence.
2nd Edit: Alright I get it I can't type proper English.

Examples would be nice.

EDIT:To be clear, saying American textbooks are "filled with nationalism, and constant inaccuracies" isn't enough for me to believe you, I found my American history textbooks just fine.

 

[Vylinius]

Germans were first to use gas warfare in WW1, Everyone thought the world was flat before Columbus discovered America (Although this one was corrected in my current history book) Puritans were tolerant except for witchcraft, The Vietnam War was for the freedom of the Vietnamese people, and that the Civil War was only over the matter of Slavery. Those are the big ones that were in every history book up until my current one which I am actually happy with. A few other things were just not touching on things the United States did that weren't exactly good examples of freedom and democracy like the establishment of Cold War Dictators and the destruction of the Native Americans and the extreme amount of racial violence in the south and then acting like the United States is the most democratic, freedom loving, and center for the rights of individuals in the world.

 

[Linkman226]

My US history textbook from the previous year, for one, portrays Manifest Destiny basically as a necessary evil (at best). It spends, throughout the whole 1200 pages or so, perhaps a few pages in total on American atrocities.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Germans were first to use gas warfare in WW1,

I'm not very knowledgeable about WWI, care to delve a bit deeper in this one?

Everyone thought the world was flat before Columbus discovered America (Although this one was corrected in my current history book)

That's less "nationalist American" and more bad/kids history. Good that it was corrected though.

Puritans were tolerant except for witchcraft,

I'll give you this, stuff like this tends to be more prevalent than it should be. Though I didn't see it in my book.

The Vietnam War was for the freedom of the Vietnamese people,

As opposed to?

and that the Civil War was only over the matter of Slavery.

The civil war was over slavery.

Those are the big ones that were in every history book up until my current one which I am actually happy with. A few other things were just not touching on things the United States did that weren't exactly good examples of freedom and democracy like the establishment of Cold War Dictators and the destruction of the Native Americans and the extreme amount of racial violence in the south and then acting like the United States is the most democratic, freedom loving, and center for the rights of individuals in the world.

This is a very important thing to note. You will notice that history lessons tend to get more and more in depth as you get older. In 7th grade, your American history will consist of the above, since that's the depth 7th graders can handle. The older you get, the more and more you can handle and history tends to unfold in a less basic way.

If you go to any country of the world, you're going to see lessons unfold in the same way. You're not going to see English kids learning about tragedies during the Boer War when they are young, nor are you going to see Japanese kids learning about tragedies in China during WWII. But, the older you get, and the older the kids get in these other countries, they will continue to get a more "complete" painting of history. So this doesn't have to do much with "nationalist American propaganda", and more just the gradual revealing/learning of history growing up.

 

[LightSpectra]

and that the Civil War was only over the matter of Slavery.

It was, actually. Neoconfederate revisionists, though, will say it's something like "states' rights" (to own slaves), tariffs (because those harmed the Southern slave economy), or cultural differences (because the South owned ten times as many slaves and their politicians endorsed this way of life).

 

[Vylinius]

Well the Vietnam comment was because at least what I've been told as I've grown up is that the Vietnamese people did not support the Dictator in Vietnam that the war was trying to protect. I may be wrong on this however. The Civil War was not just fought over slavery is what I am saying not that the fight over slavery wasn't part of it. The World War comment is incorrect I just looked it up again and it was the French who first used chemical warfare in WW1 which is what I meant and I apologize for that mistake.

My history lessons were coupled with science teachers that claimed that rocks were possessed by demons and touching the wrong one would allow a demon to possess you. My teachers and books weren't the best. Which has nothing to do with the topic, but lectures from my teachers happened to be very "patriotic" and constantly ignoring the problems of the United States almost to the point where if I hadn't done my own independent research I would of thought the United States was the best country on Earth.

 

[LightSpectra]

The Civil War was not just fought over slavery is what I am saying not that the fight over slavery wasn't part of it.

Slavery was the only substantial part of it, actually.

 

[Vylinius]

Somehow when I reloaded it didn't load your post before my reply and that's what I've been told outside of my classrooms so I guess the classroom did get it right then.

 

[bombshoo]

I'm not very knowledgeable about WWI, care to delve a bit deeper in this one?

Technically it was the French, but it is really nitpicking to say they did it first since it was only a really crappy tear gas attack that had basically no effect. The Germans were the first to use chlorine and on any scale that mattered.

 

[NovaKart]

Well the Vietnam comment was because at least what I've been told as I've grown up is that the Vietnamese people did not support the Dictator in Vietnam that the war was trying to protect. I may be wrong on this however. The Civil War was not just fought over slavery is what I am saying not that the fight over slavery wasn't part of it. The World War comment is incorrect I just looked it up again and it was the French who first used chemical warfare in WW1 which is what I meant and I apologize for that mistake.

My history lessons were coupled with science teachers that claimed that rocks were possessed by demons and touching the wrong one would allow a demon to possess you. My teachers and books weren't the best. Which has nothing to do with the topic, but lectures from my teachers happened to be very "patriotic" and constantly ignoring the problems of the United States almost to the point where if I hadn't done my own independent research I would of thought the United States was the best country on Earth.

Where did you go to school that they taught this stuff? Sounds like a fundamentalist Christian school. I actually did briefly go to an evangelical Christian school for a few months before I was expelled and there was someone who gave us a talk about how evil Halloween was at that druids literally had the power to bring hellfire from the ground to kill their sacrifices and that jack o laterns were originally made from human heads. This was just some guest speaker they drummed up though, it wasn't part of a class or anything and wasn't coming from the teachers. They even taught evolution because the teacher said that's something we had to learn even if they didn't believe in it.

I don't recall my textbooks in any school as being too nationalist or glossing over the bad parts of American history. I did get a certain amount of propaganda about how America is somehow this special nation where everyone is free and pretty much ignoring other democracies that exist in the world but I would say that's about it.

 

[Vylinius]

A neo-classical church based christian school. It was part of a Foursquare church. One of these weird protestant sects that claims to know what the disciples believed better than the scriptures really odd stuff.

 

[NovaKart]

Hmmm, I'm interested in hearing more about this. And what was with the rocks?