Never before seen wonders - Elimination Thread

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No, believe it or not
Which means two things:
- that I was right with my notion about fixing scores immediately after my crosspost with Phrozen
- that this discussion was completely pointless


But back to the game. Here are current scores.

Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 17
Cairo Citadel 20
Caral Pyramids 14
Chrysler Building 21
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 17
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 21
Teatro Amazonas 17
Tomb of Antiochus I 22
 
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Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 17
Cairo Citadel 20
Caral Pyramids 14
Chrysler Building 21
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) (17-3)=14 Once again, it's an Egyptian worker village.
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 21
Teatro Amazonas 17
Tomb of Antiochus I (22+1)=23 Those headless statues and their heads really pique my interest, though the wonder in game will have them intact.
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 17
Cairo Citadel 17 (20-3) While I always enjoy the view down to and up from the city and think of it as a magnificent fortress, I think it's not that wonderful. Many buildings that make it iconic are later additions, for example the famous 19th century alabaster mosque, and it would end up being just a desert hill fort with some smaller bonuses in the game.
Caral Pyramids 14
Chrysler Building 21
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15 (14+1) I'd like to have a early unique structure that gives a bonus to building wonders and Set Maat is (along with Kahun) one of the best options for that. Of course, it's not a wonder. It's tombs are unique in style and iconography though - but that's something that isn't interesting if one is not interested in Egyptian funerary beliefs.
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 21
Teatro Amazonas 17
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 17
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 14
Chrysler Building 22 (21 + 1) -- The game needs more Art Deco.
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 18 (21 - 3) -- Joking about being pillaged aside, Hagia Sophia is the apex of Byzantine architecture; St. Mark's pales before it. For more Byzantine architecture I'd suggest the Dome of the Rock, the Damascus Mosque, or St. Basil's.
Teatro Amazonas 17
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 17-3=14 The Burj Khalifa is more impressive, more beautiful, and would look better on a map.
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 14
Chrysler Building 22+1=23 Zaarin is right, we need more art deco.
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 18
Teatro Amazonas 17
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 14 - 3 = 11 Just boring, the only priority pyramid for me at the moment is the Pyramid of the Sun.
Chrysler Building 23
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 18
Teatro Amazonas 17 + 1 = 18 Certainly two theaters are in the same era is no problem, both are in very distant places and have very different histories, and there is no other similarity between them except the fact that they are theaters. In Civ5, we had two mosques in the same era: Hagia Sophia and Great Mosque of Djenne, and Firaxis was able to find different utilities for both, the two mosques have very different histories, they are from very different cultures and they represent different contexts, as is the case of the Bolshoi Theater and the Teatro Amazonas.
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
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Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 11
Chrysler Building 23
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 18+1=19 - Bring me more wonders from Venice! I want every single wonder from Venice! I want entire Venice in game!
Teatro Amazonas 18-3=15 - It's just not a priority for me. When I look at it, I see a fancy theatre visually kinda similar to Bolshoi Theatre. Also, both Hagia Sophia and Great Mosque of Djenné were actually built in very different times, both look totally different and Hagia Sophia was an Eastern Orthodox cathedral before Ottomans conquered Constantinople. Time difference between Teatro Amazonas and Bolshoi Theatre is some 50 years. And I think there are more wondrous theaters: Vienna Opera House or National Theatre in Prague, for example.
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 11-3=8 It is an interesting place, but we already have multiple pyramids in the game and if we had on more it should be the Pyramid of the Sun/
Chrysler Building 23
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 15+1=16 This looks great, I don't mind having two theaters in one era.
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 8
Chrysler Building 23
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 23 + 1 = 24 There needs to be an amusement park wonder
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Ostankino Tower 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED It was caught in a fire in the early 2000s
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 16
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids (8+1)=9 I don't get the hate for this wonder. It's from the earliest Andean civilization. The game could use more Andean wonders (it currently lacks any). Visually, it looks distinct from Mesoamerican and Egyptian pyramids. Surely Spring Temple Buddha should be eliminated before this?
Chrysler Building 23
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island (24-3)=21 I think an Amusement Park should be a generic tile improvement buildable by any Civ, not a specific wonder
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 16
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
@Kimiimaro My point wasn't that Hagia Sophia was a mosque; as far as I'm concerned it is and always has been a cathedral. My point was that Byzantine architects and artisans built both the Dome of the Rock and the Damascus Mosque--Byzantine artisans were widely employed in the Islamic world, ironically. Hagia Sophia is far and away the pinnacle of Byzantine architectural achievement, and St. Mark's just doesn't compare to it or even to the Byzantine-built mosques.

Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 9
Chrysler Building 24 (23 + 1) -- We need more modern wonders, and this is the most beautiful skyscraper in the world IMO.
Cliff Palace 24
Coney Island 18 (21 - 3) -- I admit more entertainment-based wonders could be useful, but...it's not really all that wondrous.
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 16
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 9
Chrysler Building 24
Cliff Palace 24+1=25 (Go, North American native wonders!)
Coney Island 18-3=15 (So an amusement park? We really are scrapping bottom of the barrel here)
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 16
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 9
Chrysler Building 25 (24+1) this will look great on the map
Cliff Palace 22 (25-3) a ww? built in 1200 AD!
Coney Island 15
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 16
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
l-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 9
Chrysler Building 25 - 3 = 22. Needs to be cut down for reasons.
Cliff Palace 22
Coney Island 15 + 1 = 16. Several amusement parks plus a boardwalk. Look up Coney Island circa 1905 or so. Very colorful and would look great on the coast.
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 16
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 9 I'm going to give you a break for this today. We already have 3 pyramids in the game, and the Pyramids of Caral are not in front of the Pyramid of the Sun and the Pyramid of Maroë. Caral would be very welcome as a religious city-state, though. There are other weak names on the list for me to give down votes, such as Parkes Observatory
Chrysler Building 22
Cliff Palace 22
Coney Island 16
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21
Karnak Temples 20
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 14 - 3 = 11 An observatory like wonder would be very welcome, however I would choose the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array or the Large Millimeter Telescope.
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 16 + 1 = 17 I don't disagree that there are more impressive theaters, but none in a place as unlikely as the heart of Amazon Rainforest. And when looking for places from all over the world, it's just boring and monotonous to only have European theaters. And I really like wonders in unlikely places like Machu Picchu, Sankore University and Churches of Lalibela . And even if we were to include only the most important theaters like Opera Garnier, Royal Albert Hall and the Vienna State Opera, there would be the same problem: All these theaters along with the Bolshoi Theater were built in the 19th century. The problem is: if we restrict ourselves by age, we will only have a 19th century theater and many other good names will be left out. But yes, cultural wonders always appeal to me regardless of location and time, I really want a lot of them in the game, while this is the only one on the list, I would vote for it.
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 14-3=11 same as last time.
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids 9
Chrysler Building 22
Cliff Palace 22
Coney Island 16
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 21+1=22 a good Korean wonder.
Karnak Temples 20
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 11
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha 11
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 17
Tomb of Antiochus I 23
 
Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 17
Burj Al Arab 11
Cairo Citadel 17
Caral Pyramids (9+1)=10 It's a pyramid with a circular court. From one of the earliest civilizations in the world.
Chrysler Building 22
Cliff Palace 22
Coney Island 16
Cothon of Carthage 23
Gyeongbokgung Palace 22
Karnak Temples 20
Palais des Papes 21
Parkes Observatory 11
Qorikancha 17
Santa Maria del Fiore 23
(Set Maat) 15
Smithsonian Institution 21
Spring Temple Buddha (11-3)=8 Too modern, and lacks the history which would justify inclusion.
St. Mark's Basilica 19
Teatro Amazonas 17
Tomb of Antiochus I 23

Meroe has multiple pyramids and they are much smaller and pointed than the Egyptian ones. They might be better off as a unique improvement.
 
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