pineappledan
Deity
Byzantine Basilica => Tetraconch icon and text update added as a branch pull request
New Beta Version - March 2nd (3-2)
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I merged ilteroi's wideranging crash and memory fixes prior to making my own changes, and those broke savegame compatibility. So no, unfortunately.
dostillevi
Prince
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In my immortal/epic tradition game as marocco, i was able to get one. Warmonger sweden is snowballing hard, attacking civ after civ to capture more cities. He is currently at 12 cities while most civs are at 4 to 6. After he declared war on china, which was already previously weakened by him and Assyria, i got a message from China, i dont know the exact wording anymore but you will figure it out when you read it by yourself that you are probably able to voluntary vassalize them. It costed me 22gpt and one copy of every luxury. So basically they escaped their war in my favor.But if i dont stop sweden soon i can give up this game anyway though....
Edit: As you can see i wasnt really strong considering military power, and even my relations to china were not the best. I think maybe it was a mix of being scared to hell from overwhelming sweden and a lack of other options.
That's a really interesting anecdote. I wonder what triggered the vassalage offer to you instead of to someone else, and at that time? It doesn't sound like your military strength compared to their aggressor was a factor. Were you on especially good terms with China?
Not really. I think China would have been an potential enemy, because they were mad that i put a city next to them. But then Gustav Adolf said hello.
Meanwhile i was able to voluntary vassalize Denmark with the exactly same scenario. Maybe they choose me because i am close to them AND sweden. Im second in technologies now and i have a good religion. Maybe this are factors, too. Looking forward to Recursives changes! Edit: Seems people are talking about how well i treat them as their master. Theodora wants to join the club now, too! This time, she is not in war. Attached you can see the message you get when it is possible to voluntary vassalize. All 3 vassals have 1 city less then me, maybe thats a criteria,too.
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Does that count as backstabbing if you declare on a DP/DoF this way?
youngsteve
King
That is a very good point & the reason I mentioned that you should only join any war a vassal is directly attacked, whilst all other wars vassal is involved in end. Say Incas ask you to vassalise them, who are currently involved in a war against Morocco which they started or in alliance attacking. You have a DOF with Morocco,& attack them. Surely you should be ostracised for being a backstabber & get bad relations arond the world. Now if Incas are attacked by Morocco, & you join war that is slightly different scenario but would you still get negative relations for attacking. They are vastly different actions but could lead to the same penalties.
Although there are problems with vassalige, changing things could make matters worse, as Recursive has said it is not easy to change single things.
Yerltvachovicic
Chieftain
I like War Elephant unit with its hard requirement of needing Ivory, but this and all unique elephant units suffer from the same problem - when you upgrade them their promotion Terrifying Elephant is gone, which especially sucks for unique units - after upgrading there is nothing to make them different them from freshly built Knight or Lancer.
My proposition is simple - let them keep Terrifying Elephant promotion even as Knights/Lancers etc but add penalty to the promotion reducing unit movement by 1. To balance this War Elephants and all unique elephant units should have 1 more starting movement.
My proposition is simple - let them keep Terrifying Elephant promotion even as Knights/Lancers etc but add penalty to the promotion reducing unit movement by 1. To balance this War Elephants and all unique elephant units should have 1 more starting movement.
Yes, it does count as backstabbing. If my code works correctly, the AI should understand this and avoid doing so.
I can cancel the backstabbing penalties but am hesitant to do so as it makes it more abusable.
One problem here is that circumstances can change. A once-victim can turn around and capture 5 cities from the would-be aggressor.
Note also that this only applies to voluntary vassalage, not capitulation. In voluntary vassalage you're agreeing to defend the civ from anyone who is at war with it, including your friends. This is a major nerf to the power of voluntary capitulation and should make it far less abusable.
SuperNoobCamper
King
Seems like i cannot declare war on a civ that has defensive pact with another civ that i have a peace treaty with atm.
I think this is new , right?
Also some civs do manage to get more than 2 DPs in my game
I think this is new , right?
Also some civs do manage to get more than 2 DPs in my game
Seems like i cannot declare war on a civ that has defensive pact with another civ that i have a peace treaty with atm.
I think this is new , right?
Also some civs do manage to get more than 2 DPs in my game
Yes, this is new (an exploit fix). I've added clarifying text for next version.
I should add that for voluntary vassalage too, to prevent a new master from bypassing a Peace Treaty that way.
How many civs are you playing with? The limit is 2 + floor(number of other met & alive major civs / 10). Unlimited if AI has the order NW.
that’s 2 on standard 8 civs correct? On my recent terra map with 7 civs, I saw a dp between 3 civs
SuperNoobCamper
King
Well, there goes my exploit .... no more playing around war weariness ... It's understandable tho.
Standard size map 7 AIs + me, still in the Renaissance era so no Palace of Culture and Science.
General_Drax
Warlord
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I did not find how to disable voluntary vassalage but this 3.2 version is getting on my nerves already. Or you steamroll everything or you are against hive mind. All civs VOLUNTARY vassalage to Iroquais.
Borderline absurd and not really funny.
Next version please set bribe wars and voluntary vassalage off.
Thank you.
It sounds like you're making a lot of progress! Just out of curiosity, do you think the next version you refer to will be posted today? I'm recovering from a medical procedure so I'm staying in bed for a few days, and I'm not sure whether I should wait to start a new game. Vox Populi is the perfect way to pass time after surgery!
Hmm, I'd need a bug report one turn before the AI makes its third DP to figure that one out. That's difficult.
@Gazebo does new versions.
And there is yet work to be done (fixing issues in the current version) from ilteroi and Milae, so I'm reluctant to post a patch at the moment...
Thanks so much for the information! Yes, Gazebo, one of the driving forces behind VP - perhaps it should be renamed 'Gazebo's Sid Meier's Civilization V Vox Populi'. Although I know it's absolutely a team effort, just like unmodded Civ V was. I've been playing Vox Populi since the relatively early days of the CPP, and it has been stunning to watch its development. At times like this, when I'm essentially immobile following a procedure, it really is a lifesaver. And I'm so frequently in and out of hospitals, VP genuinely is as beneficial to my wellbeing (at least in terms of warding off boredom) as some of my medical treatments.
But I don't want to get off topic. I'll start a new game using the 3-2 beta version if I have the energy, and I'll probably be laid up for long enough to finish that one and then start another one when the new version is released.
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