New EU treaty signed - the 2nd attempt to adopt the "European Constitution" has begun

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EU leaders sign landmark treaty

EU leaders have signed a treaty in the Portuguese capital, Lisbon, that is expected to greatly alter the way members govern themselves.

The treaty creates an EU president and a vastly more powerful foreign policy chief for the Union's 27 nations.

At the same time the document scraps veto powers in many policy areas.

It is a replacement for the EU constitution abandoned following French and Dutch opposition. EU leaders insist the two texts are in no way equivalent.

But the Lisbon treaty incorporates some of the draft constitution's key reforms, and several governments face domestic pressure over the document.

In a speech before the signing, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso called on European leaders to use the treaty to make freedom, prosperity and solidarity an everyday reality for all European citizens.

"From this old continent, a new Europe is born," he said.

Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency, said the treaty would create a more modern, more efficient and more modern union.

"The world needs a stronger Europe," he said.

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown has chosen not to attend the ceremony, citing a prior engagement in the British parliament, but Foreign Secretary David Miliband is at the signing.

Mr Brown will sign the treaty separately, later on Thursday.

The UK's opposition Conservatives accused Mr Brown of "not having the guts" to sign the treaty, which is politically controversial in Britain, in public.

Having started this year with a celebration of its 50th birthday, the EU hopes the signing of the Lisbon treaty will end the serious mid-life crisis brought about by the death of the constitution, the BBC's Oana Lungescu reports.

There will be a lot of relief, said a senior European diplomat, but also some apprehension about what happens next.

Ireland is the only country planning to hold a referendum, but most voters there seem either undecided or indifferent.

Parliaments in Britain, the Netherlands and Denmark are also expected to give a turbulent reception to the 250-page text.

However, Germany, France and Poland have pledged to be among the first to ratify it, so that the new reforms can come into force in 2009 as planned.

KEY LISBON TREATY REFORMS
- Creates new European Council president
- New foreign policy supremo to increase EU profile
- Commissioners reduced from 27 to 18
- Removes national vetoes in around 50 policy areas
- Voting weights between member states redistributed
- No reference to EU symbols such as the flag and anthem
- Treaty faces referendum in Ireland and must be ratified by all other EU parliaments

Slimmed down

The treaty is a slimmed-down version of the European constitution, with a more modest name and without any reference to EU symbols such as the flag and anthem.

It is meant to ease decision-making, by scrapping national vetoes in some 50 policy areas, including sensitive ones such as police and judicial co-operation.

There will also be a foreign policy chief, controlling a big budget and thousands of diplomats and officials, and a permanent EU president appointed for up to five years.

But some already fear that instead of giving Europe a strong single voice in the world, the new posts will only generate more rivalry, our correspondent adds.
Basically, the old "European constitution" was renamed, slightly changed (as one of our dons said, 95% of the content remains the same) and signed again. The provocative things which looked like an attempt to form a "superstate" were removed or renamed (so no "European President" or "Foreign Minister", but "European Council President" and "High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy") to calm the euroscpetics, the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights was removed from the treaty and signed separately. What's most important is that this time, most EU countries won't risk a referendum about it and it is going to be ratified in national parliaments.

So, my fellow EUropeans can discuss that since it will influence lives of all of us, and the others are free to comment or ask questions if there is something they'd like to know. I am not exactly an expert, but I'll do my best, together with other interested Europeans here.
 
Working together is a good idea, but I wouldn't a single European state. Its received a lot of negative headlines here though because of Brown not giving us the referendum that they promised us ages ago.
 
This is very good news. :) Can't wait to see more along this lines.

Oh and (for those who don't know already :p) I am definitely in favor of an united European state. :)
 
I call dibs on English as Europe's official language then. :p
 
What's most important is that this time, most EU countries won't risk a referendum about it and it is going to be ratified in national parliaments.

Good. People are too emotional and most don't understand their country will be utetrly irrelevant in world politics if not as a part of a strong EU.
I sometimes think Democracy only really works on the scale of a city state.
 
Oh joy..another try in working together...
 
95% remains the same, they took out unimportant things (like I care what the anthem's going to be or how they're going to name the fellers in the driverseat) and now expect the 'eurosceptics' to nod and say: yeah, that was what was bothering us. Now it's a great constitution.

Oh no, since there won't be a referendum. So actually they flip the bird on all who voted against this constitution. :)
 
I call dibs on English as Europe's official language then. :p

It already is an official language (thank God).

You should try to remove the French language from the EU institutions though, because from what I've heard from people who work there, the French often use it to make lives of others harder.
 
95% remains the same, they took out unimportant things (like I care what the anthem's going to be or how they're going to name the fellers in the driverseat) and now expect the 'eurosceptics' to nod and say: yeah, that was what was bothering us. Now it's a great constitution.

Oh no, since there won't be a referendum. So actually they flip the bird on all who voted against this constitution. :)

Truly European way of solving problems - rename, repack and sell again :D
 
Good. People are too emotional and most don't understand their country will be utetrly irrelevant in world politics if not as a part of a strong EU.
I sometimes think Democracy only really works on the scale of a city state.

isn't that what people fear thats whats going to happen IF they join a Strong EU?
 
isn't that what people fear thats whats going to happen IF they join a Strong EU?

People usually don't know anything about the EU, but they always complain when they don't get the chance to hold a referendum. Why they want to vote about something they're completely unfamilar with remains a mystery.
 
So you guys don't have a problem with the fact that this thing is almost the same thing as the constitution, but repackaged to avoid actually having to put it to referendums in member states?
 
So you guys don't have a problem with the fact that this thing is almost the same thing as the constitution, but repackaged to avoid actually having to put it to referendums in member states?

Me? I don't mind it at all. Putting it to referendums the first time was the worst mistake the EU has ever done.
 
So you guys don't have a problem with the fact that this thing is almost the same thing as the constitution, but repackaged to avoid actually having to put it to referendums in member states?
I do. But this was predicted to happen when the first one failed.

It would be a joke if it wasn't so important.
 
So you guys don't have a problem with the fact that this thing is almost the same thing as the constitution, but repackaged to avoid actually having to put it to referendums in member states?

I was about to ask the same thing.

Me? I don't mind it at all. Putting it to referendums the first time was the worst mistake the EU has ever done.

Why, it seems like the leaders are trying to do a run around of the people.

Is there something on the referendums that you could shed some light on about why they were a "mistake"
 
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