New Unit: Chinese "Tiger" warrior 01/08/2004

[nameless53]

maybe.. they were elite guards/warriors dressed like that during a celebration?

my guess if its not possible for them to... go into battle like that.. not saying they cant...

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I dunno... this unit seems to be on a rather odd angle. The animations are also a little awkward. I actually thought this was one of BeBro's earlier units that had been bumped up... the 01/08 threw me off for a moment.

I really like the concept, but honestly, it just doesn't seem to be up to BeBro quality. It may look better in game though.

 

[BeBro]

Hm, I'm not sure why "odd angle"? Do you mean that he's leaning forward? In the default he stands upright, then his upper body leans forward while fortifying (and then also during the attack anims).

 

[Dom Pedro II]

It may just be the fact that the feet remain straight eventhough he's on the balls of his feet, but it seems to me almost like there is a different camera angle in the Attack animation. In particular, that back leg seems very high up. It's probably nothing.

 

[nameless53]

Try this... does it make it less noticable? (in game with other flc).
( i never fixed attack or atleast successfully, this is all ive altered, this make him stand more straight in default... if that was what ur talking about other than in attack section of leg.)

(braught to you buy the Nameless Unit Workshop)

 

[BeBro]

Well, yes the feet remain straight, animating them would mean I have to use some more bones. I just thought nobody would notce it But the right leg appears only high up because it is angled backwards and sidewards (to the right) - I think that is not unnatural. You see it better in S or N view. I think on future infantry units I'll change feet and legs a bit, making them also a bit stronger.

 

[nameless53]

this is the first unit in my game that require furs as one of its requirements..

wierd i know....

 

[F15Trigger]

OHHHH.... I know why they dressed as tiger (beside they called themselves the Tiger Warrior).
several thousand years ago some tactician derived a military maze formation called the EIGHTFOLD (related to The Eight Triagrams). This Legendary Maze was said to be unrivaled, whoever master it will triumph every battles. It has eight transformations that changes continuesly to trap the enermy forces. The last time this formation used was in 220-234AD by a man named ZHUGE KONGMING. After KONGMING's dead the formation was lost.

Here is the reason why there was a TIGER DIVISION ( ahahah):

"Heaven, earth, wind, clouds, dragons, tigers, birds, and snakes--what is the meaning of these eight formation?"

"There was an error made by those who transmitted them. The ancients secretly concealed these methods, so they craftily created these eight names. The eight formation were originally one, being divided in eight. Forexample, 'Heaven' and 'Earth' originated in flag designations; Wind and Clouds originated in pennant names. Dragon, tigers, birds,and snakes originated in the distinctions of the platoons and squads. Later generations erroneously transmitted them. If they were cleverly creating formations in the image of animals, why would they just stop at eight?"

that's all we know of the legendary formation.

 

[nameless53]

so these were soldiers that was part of an advanced/successful military formation?

 

[F15Trigger]

so these were soldiers that was part of an advanced/successful military formation?

Well during the middle age, the chinese generals misunderstood about the meanings of the those eight words, that describe part of the eightfold formation. They literly believed those eight words and decorated their soldiers as 'Tiger'= Tiger Warrior, 'Bird'= Phoenix Warrior, 'dragon'= dragon warrior,...ect. They though in dressing the soldiers these ways they can unleast the secret of the EIGHTFOLDFORMATION. But, Tiger, Bird, Dragon are just symbol to represent Company, Battalion, or Division, Corp.

The EightFold Formation are far beyond what they have though.

 

[BeBro]

That's interesting information

 

[regen2ndx]

Well during the middle age, the chinese generals misunderstood about the meanings of the those eight words, that describe part of the eightfold formation. They literly believed those eight words and decorated their soldiers as 'Tiger'= Tiger Warrior, 'Bird'= Phoenix Warrior, 'dragon'= dragon warrior,...ect

How can they be mistaken like that? That's unbelievable.

 

[nameless53]

religion.. superstition?

"legend"?

 

[Senturion]

Great looking unit. Even if it isn't real, the fact that we're discussing if it could have been means it is useful for Civ. To me, the game is really about what could have been, rather than what was.

My theory is that the uniform is not historically accurate but that the shield probably is. I've seen wu shu (martial arts) shields that are basically the same thing. There is a picture of one here: http://www.bworthsc.vic.edu.au/www/programs/asia.html (scroll down a bit). I think perhaps a Westerner may have seen one of those shields and speculated the rest of the uniform, which looks rather similar to something worn for wu shu. Maybe they were also aware of the helmets that Yoda Power mentioned. But either way it is a great unit. I think it will make a good opponent for Kinboat's pandas.

 

[frekk]

maybe.. they were elite guards/warriors dressed like that during a celebration?

my guess if its not possible for them to... go into battle like that.. not saying they cant...

Why not? It doesn't look particularly bulky or awkward to me ...

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

Don't know if they exist or not (since my knowledge of military history is very limited), but I think they'd work great for a fantasy mod, especially if the mod incorporates East Asian mytholoogy.

Hmm... How about making the famed "Monkey King" Sun Wukong? There are lots of pictures of him around.

 

[F15Trigger]

Yeah, it be great if you guys can make mods of the Asian heroes.

EX: Zhao Zilong The Lord of Shunpin, Guan Yu, Zhuge Liang, Machao....so on

 

[nameless53]

i second that.

we need a "shogun character (sengku)" for china..

 

[Magma]

Wow, another Exelent Unit
Youre the god of units

 

[Dann]

I ran that picture on a Chinese Civ site plus some others.

Many recognize the weapon and shield but not the uniform.

I learned however that there were many "Tiger Divisions" throughout Chinese history. The Zhou, Han, Jin and Song all had such elite units. Unfortunately the historical accounts all only mentioned numbers, organization and formations. None mentioned weapons, equiptment or uniforms.

With the lack of armor, this unit should perhaps be taken to represent the earliest "Tiger Division" - that of the Zhou.