Norway mistakes in game alliance for nazis

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In mid December the Norwegion government (or rather it's "intelligence" (cough) agencies) saw a video on YouTube about what they claim is "Nazi Propaganda" using the Norwegion antheme.

In reality it is a recruitment video for an in game alliance (THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NAZIS). http://www.nordreich.net/ The game (Cybernations): http://www.cybernations.net/

(The following is from here and is in Alech's words)

From Norwegain media:

http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=146989

refers too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08YmRlQBI7U

Short version in English:

The Norwegian government is appealed that the Norwegian national anthem has been abused by what they call Nazi-propaganda. The Nazi-propaganda in question is a Nordreich PR film on YouTube.

According to the article the Norwegian state department and Police are now looking into the matter.

Translation into English;
"Ja, vi elsker" in nazi movie
Strong reaction from UD (Foreign Ministry)

Berlin (VG) With "Ja, vi elsker" and Hitler-propaganda, far-right movements in Europe attempt to recruit members.

(Picture)
Text under picture: Critical: Bjørn Tore Godal wants to end the practice of misusing Norwegian symbols in Germany.

Both the Foreign Department, the Police Security Service and the Norwegian embassy in Berlin are reacting strongly towards the misuse of the Norwegian national anthem and other symbols.

The reason is a video at Youtube.com, where "Ja Vi Elsker" is played in the background, at the same time as propaganda from among other countries, Hitlerite Germany is on the screen.

The video references to another site, Nordreich, on multiple occasions. According to experts Nordreich is a forum for extreme right movements. The webpage is supposed to be based in Germany.

The Foreign Department are quite critical to the video. In a letter to Youtube they demand that it be moved immediately.

- We condemn usage of Norwegian symbols in a way that can give associations to rightist environments, Kaja Halvorsen, advisor to the Communications Unit, tells VG.

A Norwegian expert, who because of his job cannot tell the public his name and work place, has reviewed the video thoroughly for VG.

- There is no doubt what this is about. Those who have made the video have knowledge of the symbols and know what they have done, he says.

Nazi references

The video contains, among other things:

* References to the NSDAP in Germany, which Adolf Hitler led and brought to power.
* A map of Hitlers empire
* Hitlers fleet at sea (this is wrong, there are far too many capital ships in that picture (*Prince: WW1 ships*))
* The Norwegian odalsrune, which symbolises heritage, family and inheritage and is often used as a nazi symbol.
* A modified version of the Imperial German flag, which has been cut-pasted with the Norwegian and Prussian flags and given an odalsrune with angeled legs, a symbol that goes alongside the swastika.
* A symbol referring to the Iron Cross, a military decoration issued when Germany is at war.
* A constant background playing of "Ja Vi Elsker", which is also the title of the film


- Security in danger

- The groups behind these films are getting better organised constantly. My point of view is that they are putting national security at risk, the expert says.

UD (The Foreign Department) has lately had to handle several cases where Norwegian symbols have been misused, among other things the controversial "Thor Steinar"-collection. The problem is biggest in Germany.

- What we can see can not be characterised as a global tendency, but because we live in a global world (:rolleyes where we all know what Norway stands for, we choose to be active to prevent a larger spread.

Ambassador to Berlin Bjørn Tore Godal hopes that German authorities will aid him in the struggle to end the misusage.

- Unacceptable

- I haven't met one German politician who hasn't reacted correctly to this. To take jucidial steps from here does seem to be going a bit far, he says.

Godal says clearly that the embassy will strike harder against more misusage of Norwegian symbols.

- It is completely unacceptable. We can not accept that symbols of Norwegian democracy are used in connection with these environments, he says.

Nordreich's counter statement;

Sigmund Ceowulf said:
Well what an interesting morning. I make breakfast, put on a pot of coffee, sit down on my computer to enjoy another morning of screwing around on cybernations and tending to my totally non real life related cybernations alliance, and oh dear......what's this? Norway has launched an investigation into us after featuring us on the front page of a norwegian news service about how we are slandering their national anthem with neo nazi related imagery.

According to their claims that 'The webpage is supposed to be based in Germany' for a 'far right organization attempting to recruit people in europe through youtube' is absolutely ridiculous. You'd think the tags on the video in question of 'cybernations alliance' would be enough to tip them off that this is in fact a game clan, and nothing more, but nope I guess not; the trigger happy guilt obliged peoples of northern europe must use a shoot first, think later policy with those they suspect of harboring 'far right' viewpoints and ideology.

Just to clear our image, and get these fools off our backs I thought I'd like to clarify a few things.

* This is an internet game called cybernations (http://www.cybernations.net) a game that revolves around player created alliances. Of which Nordreich is one, with around 240 members.

* We are in no way at all a real life far right movement, we proclaim germanic nationalism within the game, in character. Even if many members to hold certain views in real life, it is totally unrelated to the game, and it is none of your business anyhow, as in america we have freedom of speech, and do not imprison people for being nationalists or questioning historical events.

* If the main problem you have against us is the video, we can assure you it will be taken down ASAP as soon as it's creator returns from vacation. He left around last week and should be returning soon.

* If we in America made news articles for every time an online video 'misused' our beloved national icons, anthems and cultural tendencies, there would never be any room to fit significant, real news into the paper, as it would be filled with countless cases of this so called slander. Get used to it Norway and Germany, you can not police the thoughts of the world.

* We at Nordreich apologize for the creation of the video, and any 'harm' it may have caused to the mentally impaired and their outlook of your country, but we created it with no ill intentions, and as said before, it will be removed as soon as possible. Our apologies. But we will not apologize for anything else, and your horrible intelligence service that doesn't know how to read the facts, but instead jumps to conclusions by only seeing what they want to see. For shame. Truly shocking that anyone would resort to church burning satanism in your beloved land of free speech and intellectual open mindedness.

Now, to end this announcement on a note of forgiveness and cooperation; we sincerely hope that we can end this debacle on a positive basis and end the tension. I have already addressed your key concerns and have hopefully put them at ease. If you have any concerns, then go ahead and make an account on our forums and use this thread to communicate with us, and we will do our best to respond in a civilized, respectful manner.

Thank you for your time. And the article too, it made me 'LOL'

Sincerely,

Nordreich



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Needless to say Norway has become the laughing stock of CN. Also the Iron cross has been used in WW1 and that was DEFINATELY before the Nazis.

EDIT: And this; http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4943984&postcount=15
 
Cybernations, whoa i go to that site!

Them player alliances ceratinly try to model themselves after real alliances. You should check out the many communist alliances on the website
 
To be honest, I would be suspicious too if a webpage called Nordriche used the norwegian national anthem with somewhat quasi-nazi overtones. I mean, the name Nordriche is enough to make me look twice on any video.

Also VG (verdens gang) is a tabloid, not a newspaper that I would rely on.
 
Freedom of Speech and all that. Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over. I Used to be in a CyberNations alliance myself quite awhile back. Wonder if CyberNations 2 ever launched.
 
Interesting. Nice to see our crappy newspapers and over-sensitive politicians get another blow ;)

This is actually the third nazi-story in norwegian news in quite a short time. The first was that a german clothing brand used norwegian symbols on their clothes.. And as it happened this particular brand apparently is quite popular with German neo-nazis. The second was that a norwegian politician sold some WWII artifacts containing nazi symbols on an internet auction. Both these made our media-hungry politicians compete fiercly in a frenzy of displaying political correctness. I can understand if we're somewhat of a laughing stock at the moment.
 
Just plain wierd.
 
Fro ma new thread (the old one got locked due to spam): http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=42043&st=0

Finaly someone got it right;

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1587626.ece

Not "real" neo-Nazis
The use of the Norwegian national anthem in connection with Nazi symbolism in a video for the group Nordreich has resulted in the Foreign Ministry trying to pull the item from popular web site YouTube. Nordreich is in fact a virtual community linked to an online role-playing game, and their
A shot from the controversial video posted at YouTube.

Related stories:
National anthem in Nazi propaganda - 02.01.2007

"Head of State" says they are not really neo-Nazis.
A shot from the controversial video posted at YouTube.

Related stories:
National anthem in Nazi propaganda - 02.01.2007


The leader of Nordreich, one "Magnus Nordir, Head of State of the Folksish Reich of Vinland", ridiculed Norway's Foreign Ministry and press in a statement Wednesday for misinformed efforts to curtail free speech in connection with a game.

"Our 'group' is based in a popular online nation simulator/Role playing game called Cyber Nations; located at http://www.cybernations.net. The game consists of tens of thousands of players, of which participate in several player created alliances of all different types of affiliations, be they conservative, communist, nationalist, libertarian, or "far right"," Nordir wrote in a forum at Cyber Nations, aiming his statement at the government and press of Norway.

Nordir called the participants at Nordreich "a fictional organization comprised mainly of political minded teenagers that harbor a conservative/nationalist/European pride ideology" and stressed that the group was in no way a genuine neo-Nazi organization.

Nordir emphasized that the group was both fictive and international, and included players from Norway. The group was not a conspiracy to recruit followers to a neo-Nazi organization, and Nordir called for truly investigative journalism from Norway, and asked if the government of Norway didn't have better things to do than pursuing a socialist agenda and playing police in an online game.

But the (genuine) neo-Nazi group Stormfront does define Nordreich as a potential recruiting ground for their extremist organization, and in their online forum they discuss precisely this. The white supremacist group Stormfront has a number of members who admit to being active in Nordreich.

***Erik Johannessen, an active Cyber Nations player from a different alliance, said that Nordreich is not at all likely to be a neo-Nazi group, but that there were Nazi elements there who used the platform to recruit to extreme right-wing organizations.

Johannessen said that he believed the true neo-Nazi elements in Nordreich would likely break off and form a purely right-wing extremist alliance.

*** I have NO idea who the heck Eric is. However Nordreich does publicly state they are not aware and will not accept of open neo-nazism.

EDIT: According to this (someone paraphrased it into English in a thread on Cn for us)
http://forbruker.no/digital/nyheter/data/article1586258.ece
That Eric guy is from the alliance LUE.

EDIT: ROFL! :lol: Some lousy journalist still think's they are nazis.

http://www.norwaypost.no/cgi-bin/norwaypost/imaker?id=38797

Nazi propaganda withdrawn from the Web
The Nazi group which used the Norwegian National Anthem "Ja, vi elsker" in a propaganda video on the internet has now withdrawn the film from the web.

/ np 03.01.2007 06:50



The film belonged to a Nazi group named Nordreich, which plays internet-based games.

The video was published on YouTube, and the Norwegian Department of Foreign Affairs protested to the operator, saying this use of the National Anthem was unacceptable.

One of the group members writes on their web site that they never meant to offend anyone.

However, they underline that it is their opinion that it is unfortunate that Norway tries to control what is published on the Internet.

(NRK)

Rolleiv Solholm

EDIT (yet again):

I made an editorial comment on the Washington Post.

Tlatelolco said:
regarding: http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20070102-074806-7750r.htm
Nordreich is the fictional roleplaying player-created alliance in a popular multiplayer online game called Cybernations. There are several player-created alliances spanning from Communists, Nationalists, Libertarians, Socialists, Radical Conservatism, Radical Liberalism, and even European Nationalism: Nordreich. Several alliances make their own PR videos. There have been neo-nazi groups such as Stormfront who have considered recruiting from Nordreich, but Nordreich leaders have said that the alliance does not cater to nazism -- it is all for the sake of roleplay. Norway has simply stumbled onto the fictional world of Cybernations, and jumped to a conclusion that is an exaggeration of Nordreich's affiliation.
http://www.cybernations.net
http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/

Maybe I'll get published!

- Tlatelolco
 
Oh wow this is hillarious.

An entire government vs. a bunch of emaciated gamers.:rotfl:

They should settle it in an epic CounterStrike battle!:lol:
 
Someone joked about the Norwegion gov't creating their own alliance to take down Nordreich, but phailnig miserably when they realsied they have no idea how to play an internet game and also NoR has nukes. THen they spend their entire defense budget donations (if you donate to CN you get bonus stuff for your nation (but the bonus is only once a month, but you can send in as many donatons as you want)) and hiring gamers.
 
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