NOTW LIII - Return to Ciretako [Game Thread]

[Backwards Logic]

Retraction: Gonna give ATPG the benefit of the doubt for now.
Statement: Instead Arakhor. A lot of fluff with nothing meaningful contributed, similar to ATPG's point on azzaman. I'd like to know a bunch more about you.

 

[spaceman98]

I've recieved word that vote: Arakhor has been blocked N1

Lets look at his posts:

D1:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13763573#post13763573 Irrelevant D1 vote

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13763940#post13763940 also D1

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13765388&postcount=79 Doesn't put in a luitenant vote. Gets some flak for that, though frankly I count this as a null tell

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13766200#post13766200 irrelevant

Conclusion: Certainly active and following the thread. Hasn't contributed much, but its D1, so nothing suspicious yet.
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D2:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13768702#post13768702 Stirs suspicion on Sprig (now confirmed machine) without pushing too hard. Trying to start a wagon on a town hero without tying yourself to it?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13770708#post13770708 Votes for Kaiser. A reasonable case IMO, but also a fairly easy vote to make. Null tell.


Conclusion: And that is the net sum of his D2 contributions. Said a lot when it didn't matter, then said little.
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D3:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13774533#post13774533 Pushes vote on edse, which Azzaman (another suspect) endorses. This was before the roleblock on edse came to light. Says edse has been acting strangely, doesn't elaborate.

Conclusion: 1 post? really? Your usually more active than this
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D4:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13777547#post13777547 wants upgrade for self

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13777919#post13777919 irrelevant fluff

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779059#post13779059 Started the vote on Kennigit. An entirely reasonable thing to do in itself

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779323#post13779323 fluff

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779370#post13779370 random fluff

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779435#post13779435 another content free post

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779605#post13779605 Points out (fairly obvious) flaw in Kennigit's reasoning

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779714#post13779714 Same as above

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779787#post13779787 Comments on large number of inactives

Conclusion: His most active day. The case on Kennigit is a reasonable one, but now known to be incorrect. Also posts a lot of spam
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Today: Nothing for now

His thread history alone isn't sufficient for a lynch vote, but taken with the block on him N1 (when there was no flip hero kill), the large amount of spam looks suspicious.

 

[azzaman333]

Azzaman unit identified. Termination protocols engaged.

Not sure what your case against me is? It seems to be that I'm somehow suspicious for trying to hunt for the human threat, but that makes no sense.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not sure what your case against me is? It seems to be that I'm somehow suspicious for trying to hunt for the human threat, but that makes no sense.

OOC:

Spoiler :

Assuming you're a threat, die foul threat.

Assuming you're a villager / machine like me, I will now speak to you as if I was dead certain you are a villager [As a technique I use to look at both universes and keep an open mind, even if I suspect someone], and fully explain my thinking, and ask for you to lay out a case persuading me to move elsewhere.

The most critical thing was that in the early game, you kept speaking to villagers that ended up being destroyed, and you did not speak to suspects.

Less critical is that your votes for the people who are alive seem unfocused- you have voted for a lot of the people who are currently alive, and seem to be in no hurry to get your suspects lynched. This is a problem in that I don't recognize this as a villagery process.

Even less critical is your focus on building yourself up. An antagonist would wish to do so, though villagers will as well. But here is the premise: you should be more willing to build up others you feel are villager.

As an addendum, I can't tell who you think is villagery. I don't think you have any process demonstrated which indicates who you would choose NOT to vote for. This is a critical part of a villager's game, I feel.

To reverse my suspicions, which are based on not even a full read of the game, and merely picking one target who has voted this round to read in full, and came up with a bunch of questions...

I would ask you to modify your approach going forward in the following ways:

1) I want you to talk about who you think is less likely to be a threat and why
2) I want you to actually focus on destroying your suspects rather than constantly let them go free
3) I want you to be more of a team player and vote more selflessly.

And finally, I would like you to take the alive player's list and list them in order of least likely to be a threat to most likely, and cite reasons for your top 3 and bottom 3 at minimum.

Then I will process your response and see if it makes sense to me. I cannot guarantee I reverse, however, your style of play is surprisingly difficult to find evidence of villageriness within.

It may just be your style, but I really cannot clear you based on your play thus far, and more than that, it does look incriminating to me.

My read will change over time, but for that "time" part to even be a thing, you must respond to this post adequately.

And don't shoot for adequate. Don't just hurdle the obstacle. Shoot for the record.

Be the most villagery azzaman you ever were in any game, ever.

Go.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unit Askthepizzaguy for the gun.

Unit coyosis for the upgrade.

Unit coyosis for lieutenant.

I did not request the gun, but I will take your voting the gun to me as a vote of confidence.

Can someone please tell me what the guns do? My instinct tells me they increase strength, correct? And strength would make it harder to kill a villager, correct?

If this is the case, I would also vote for myself for the gun. But if it does something then my night actions would be occupied already, so I wouldn't be able to make good use of it.

Before I vote for upgrade /Lieutenant, can someone briefly fill me in on what they likely do?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who is online right now?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Machine Recording:

Attention all machines. We have an intruder in our midst. All non active personnel are to report to the bridge immediately. We must eliminate the intruder at any cost. Report all suspicious activity to the Lieutenant, who will be selected in the next hour after the most secure machine is determined.

Vote for the Lieutenant in bold blue. This is a tiebreaking role.

Otherwise you may vote as normal.

Tiebreaking role, understood.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Explanation: Here is the thing with upgrades: Some of you can use them, some of you cannot. If I am understanding its application correctly, no one actually knows from the start whether or not they can use them. Fortunately, I have begun compiling a database of who can and who is ineligible. Upgrade to Kennigit, as I know for a fact he can utilize the upgrade properly.

Speculation: It stands to reason that no meatbag can use an upgrade, though it just as easily mean a machine is maxed out and can no longer enhance its capabilities with another.

I did a ctrl-f search for instances of the word "upgrade" and found this. And Jarrema's signature line over and over again.

Okay, Backwards Logic, if you feel comfortable revealing your most current data, I would like to see it.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Installed Subroutines on the Coyosis Unit are:

Subroutine: Generate error in Unit Name Output:Self.

Subroutine: Eliminate threats to Ciretako Base

Subsubroutine: Vote

Subsubroutine: Gather information by expressing opinions and listening.

Subsubroutine: Participate in participatory process only in the extant thread.

Subroutine: Calculate appropriate recipient of available Upgrades and/or Items as they become available.

NO other Subroutines available.

END OF LINE

Winner.

Upgrade to Coyosis.

I barely care what her alignment is after this post, this has convinced me to upgrade her, pending BL telling me she's ineligible, which is what I was searching when I found this gem.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

There hasn't been a lot of discussion about the gun's function, all I could really find was Zack mentioning that it might be a strength modifier.

One of the persons interested in the gun and who received the gun was a hostile. I think therefore they are most likely strength boosting items.

I have not begun to find targets I would feel comfortable giving more power to, I have a lot of in-depth reading to catch up on and I would also like to hear more from the other active units before I make any risky decisions.

For now, I would be interested in receiving the gun.

I am open to suggestions.

Lieutenant, a tiebreaking capability, I would reserve judgment on until I have read more. This becomes much more problematic later as it is essentially a double vote power, and later each vote is that much more important.

 

[Backwards Logic]

While I haven't scanned Coyosis, my best guess at this point judging by the vanilla roleclaim is that he is ineligible. It seems those with an active ability can use the upgrade whereas vanillas cannot from the conversations I've had with a few people.

Once I get a response or two via PM I have to a few players, maybe I'll reveal the current data. I'm not particularly fond of saying, assuming my assessment is correct about only people with abilities being eligible, of who can be upgraded and cannot in-thread.

 

[choxorn]

I've recieved word that vote: Arakhor has been blocked N1

Lets look at his posts:

D1:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13763573#post13763573 Irrelevant D1 vote

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13763940#post13763940 also D1

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13765388&postcount=79 Doesn't put in a luitenant vote. Gets some flak for that, though frankly I count this as a null tell

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13766200#post13766200 irrelevant

Conclusion: Certainly active and following the thread. Hasn't contributed much, but its D1, so nothing suspicious yet.
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D2:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13768702#post13768702 Stirs suspicion on Sprig (now confirmed machine) without pushing too hard. Trying to start a wagon on a town hero without tying yourself to it?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13770708#post13770708 Votes for Kaiser. A reasonable case IMO, but also a fairly easy vote to make. Null tell.


Conclusion: And that is the net sum of his D2 contributions. Said a lot when it didn't matter, then said little.
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D3:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13774533#post13774533 Pushes vote on edse, which Azzaman (another suspect) endorses. This was before the roleblock on edse came to light. Says edse has been acting strangely, doesn't elaborate.

Conclusion: 1 post? really? Your usually more active than this
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D4:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13777547#post13777547 wants upgrade for self

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13777919#post13777919 irrelevant fluff

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779059#post13779059 Started the vote on Kennigit. An entirely reasonable thing to do in itself

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779323#post13779323 fluff

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779370#post13779370 random fluff

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779435#post13779435 another content free post

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779605#post13779605 Points out (fairly obvious) flaw in Kennigit's reasoning

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779714#post13779714 Same as above

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13779787#post13779787 Comments on large number of inactives

Conclusion: His most active day. The case on Kennigit is a reasonable one, but now known to be incorrect. Also posts a lot of spam
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Today: Nothing for now

His thread history alone isn't sufficient for a lynch vote, but taken with the block on him N1 (when there was no flip hero kill), the large amount of spam looks suspicious.

I agree, this all looks pretty suspicious.

Vote: Arakhor

 

[edse]

Unvote: Vote: Arakhor

He has a high chance to be a killer if both him and me were blocked night 1.

 

[azzaman333]

OOC:

Spoiler :

Assuming you're a threat, die foul threat.

Assuming you're a villager / machine like me, I will now speak to you as if I was dead certain you are a villager [As a technique I use to look at both universes and keep an open mind, even if I suspect someone], and fully explain my thinking, and ask for you to lay out a case persuading me to move elsewhere.

The most critical thing was that in the early game, you kept speaking to villagers that ended up being destroyed, and you did not speak to suspects.

Less critical is that your votes for the people who are alive seem unfocused- you have voted for a lot of the people who are currently alive, and seem to be in no hurry to get your suspects lynched. This is a problem in that I don't recognize this as a villagery process.

Even less critical is your focus on building yourself up. An antagonist would wish to do so, though villagers will as well. But here is the premise: you should be more willing to build up others you feel are villager.

As an addendum, I can't tell who you think is villagery. I don't think you have any process demonstrated which indicates who you would choose NOT to vote for. This is a critical part of a villager's game, I feel.

To reverse my suspicions, which are based on not even a full read of the game, and merely picking one target who has voted this round to read in full, and came up with a bunch of questions...

I would ask you to modify your approach going forward in the following ways:

1) I want you to talk about who you think is less likely to be a threat and why
2) I want you to actually focus on destroying your suspects rather than constantly let them go free
3) I want you to be more of a team player and vote more selflessly.

And finally, I would like you to take the alive player's list and list them in order of least likely to be a threat to most likely, and cite reasons for your top 3 and bottom 3 at minimum.

Then I will process your response and see if it makes sense to me. I cannot guarantee I reverse, however, your style of play is surprisingly difficult to find evidence of villageriness within.

It may just be your style, but I really cannot clear you based on your play thus far, and more than that, it does look incriminating to me.

My read will change over time, but for that "time" part to even be a thing, you must respond to this post adequately.

And don't shoot for adequate. Don't just hurdle the obstacle. Shoot for the record.

Be the most villagery azzaman you ever were in any game, ever.

Go.

My voting process has been fairly unfocused because I'm having a lot of difficulty finding players who seem like villagers. Of those currently alive, spaceman is the only player I've thought of as being likely town. The rest vary somewhere between a null tell and somewhat suspicious, but no one really seems to stand out. I'm trying to put some pressure on a variety of people, trying to get a feel for who other people suspect, but getting nothing in return so I end up making sure my vote counts somewhat for who gets lynched. There are a lot of players who appear to be lurking in the background and it's very difficult to get a read on them when they publicly contribute so little.

 

[bladescape]

In my brief readover I'd like Azzaman Pending change. Will try to get some in-depth reads by tomorrow.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

While I haven't scanned Coyosis, my best guess at this point judging by the vanilla roleclaim is that he is ineligible. It seems those with an active ability can use the upgrade whereas vanillas cannot from the conversations I've had with a few people.

Once I get a response or two via PM I have to a few players, maybe I'll reveal the current data. I'm not particularly fond of saying, assuming my assessment is correct about only people with abilities being eligible, of who can be upgraded and cannot in-thread.

Okay, this is relevant information. Scratch that request. I'll just follow your lead instead, though I would recommend making some way of passing that information on via death, perhaps in a quicktopic with a trusted quantity.

Those of us (myself being a prime example) who have an ability which is marginally useful at best might benefit from publicly asking for upgrades. I would assume an upgraded scanning ability for me would be of some use, but I have no idea what, if any, use an upgrade on me would be.

I defer to whoever has a better idea of it.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

gee, where did everyone come from? I am glad to have some company.

Who is consensus trusted and likely to be a murder target anyway, who we would prefer to have tiebreaking power? That to me is the most important question to resolve as a group.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have noted the vote movement onto Arakhor, and would easily vote there.

I would think now would be a good time to carefully re-read Arakhor for more information, pending his response.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

My voting process has been fairly unfocused because I'm having a lot of difficulty finding players who seem like villagers. Of those currently alive, spaceman is the only player I've thought of as being likely town. The rest vary somewhere between a null tell and somewhat suspicious, but no one really seems to stand out. I'm trying to put some pressure on a variety of people, trying to get a feel for who other people suspect, but getting nothing in return so I end up making sure my vote counts somewhat for who gets lynched. There are a lot of players who appear to be lurking in the background and it's very difficult to get a read on them when they publicly contribute so little.

Is that all? I was hoping for more.

Thank you for the response, at least.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

pending is the word of the day.