NOTW LIII - Return to Ciretako [Game Thread]

[azzaman333]

I think I understand what you're getting at, but if you could elaborate a little. This post might have just done a fly by.

You are basically suggesting that Reidquat, in spite of possibly being blocked last night, might be a hostile, and the evidence you're offering is that Reidquat knew something that was unavailable to the public, but might have been known to the hostile team exclusively.

That's the premise, yes?

If so, let's check something real quick- village network, can you look at this post and verify that there's no way that information was leaked, or check to see if that information was present in the thread somewhere?

If there's verification that this is a PIS slip, and it would be really easy to obtain such, then it would be evidence of strong weight.

Reidquat should also respond to it directly.

Correct. Need to hear a decent explanation or he looks a very good candidate for lynching.

 

[bladescape]

I have a request, could you comment specifically on Arakhor, BSmith, and Reidquat, as briefly or in-depth as you prefer. Also, suggest a person to be made lieutenant.

These are the most pressing things I feel everyone should weigh in on this round, so participation on those points would be appreciated.

Arakhor:
Very fluffy/bandwagony. There are a few like him so far, he does stand out with his (Me for upgrade, but then I imagine most people want the upgrade) post since it really feels like 'give me it, but don't worry I'm just a normal player'. Nothing concrete on him.

BSmith:
K, so 90% of the votes were just piggybacks. I don't think there has been any original reasoning here at all, where at least Arakhor and Azza have done some thinking. At the same time, my gut is saying this is less 'mafia' and more 'third party', no concrete evidence for that.

Riedquat:
Contributed a bit here and there, hasn't done much. My first reaction after read-over is 'bored villager', but this sudden potential PIS is quite interesting but I didn't actually read it as such straight off. I mean, we know the Gun was almost certainly from AA, and the upgrade seems reasonable that it could've come from him too, so I honestly had assumed the same thing as Ried, hence why I am unsure of how incriminating the PIS is.

Lieutenant:
Jarrema/Backward seem the best possibilities for that job.

Apologies for briefness/any mistakes I made. Tired atm.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

No worries. I have no idea why I am still awake.

Oh yes, I remember.


Because I'm a machine and have no requirement for sleep.

Spoiler :

Link to video.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why Jarrema for Lieutenant?

 

[Jarrema]

maybe because few people are already in backstage contact with me? (part of non-organic network)

 

[Riedquat]

This unit was hit by a galactic ray and its communications have been reduced to the minimum.

OOC: Electric storm burned up my home's cable-modem, so my interactions in thread will be reduced till I get a new one, luckily on wedesnay evening
Now I need to catch up with the thread!

 

[Riedquat]

Also,


There's no information that I'm aware of that indicates where the upgrade came from. Possible perfect information identified.

I think I understand what you're getting at, but if you could elaborate a little. This post might have just done a fly by.

You are basically suggesting that Reidquat, in spite of possibly being blocked last night, might be a hostile, and the evidence you're offering is that Reidquat knew something that was unavailable to the public, but might have been known to the hostile team exclusively.

That's the premise, yes?

If so, let's check something real quick- village network, can you look at this post and verify that there's no way that information was leaked, or check to see if that information was present in the thread somewhere?

If there's verification that this is a PIS slip, and it would be really easy to obtain such, then it would be evidence of strong weight.

Reidquat should also respond to it directly.

Double A got killed and in the morning an upgrade was floating around, I took the upgrade came from his destroyed hardware same as the gun. Also note, last night another mother was disassembled and there is another upgrade now. Perhaps mothers drop upgrades when killed? I don't know. Where do you think the upgrades come from? To me it came from Double A's body as the last one from Legato's.

Now to answer my own question and corroborate what others have said, block targets aren't notified, to my own understanding I spent the night trying to get my modem online again!

 

[BSmith1068]

Perhaps it was a really effective block, having knocked out your modem and making it really hard to send in any orders.

I will say that this unit began with an upgrade in it's inventory. After finding it useless to myself I saw it fit to transfer it to someone who would be better able to put it to use. Additionally the gun that I received was not usable by myself either, so I cannot confirm the strength bonus theory.

 

[Riedquat]

Phat Terrible Kumquats

Sorry for triple post but

Jarema fo General

Upgrade to Backwards Logic, as he can know better than me who can use it.

The gun to ATPG

And for the time being vote: edse

 

[azzaman333]

Double A got killed and in the morning an upgrade was floating around, I took the upgrade came from his destroyed hardware same as the gun. Also note, last night another mother was disassembled and there is another upgrade now. Perhaps mothers drop upgrades when killed? I don't know. Where do you think the upgrades come from? To me it came from Double A's body as the last one from Legato's.

Now to answer my own question and corroborate what others have said, block targets aren't notified, to my own understanding I spent the night trying to get my modem online again!

unvote; vote: Riedquat

Would've expected some sort of acknowledgement of the possibility of it coming from Buddhafish if you were town. Instead you've doubled down on the Double A theory and justified it with information that you wouldn't have had at the time.

Also, spaceman and Jarrema

 

[Riedquat]

unvote; vote: Riedquat

Would've expected some sort of acknowledgement of the possibility of it coming from Buddhafish if you were town. Instead you've doubled down on the Double A theory and justified it with information that you wouldn't have had at the time.

Never occurred to me it could come from Buddhafish, that could be completely right, but from there to be PIS there is a big distance in my opinion. Of course, the rest of my post wasn't an explanation, just what I was thinking just a moment ago.

But please, feel free to prove it was PIS from my part, because I don't know when or where it has been determined!

 

[spaceman98]

What are PTK?

PFK Players are players that are not a member of either Machines or Flip Hero's team and ARE a threat to the win condition of either side. They may be Serial Killers, Mad Bombers, or something altogether different. A PFK player may or may not be able to win alongside some third party players, but if a PFK player wins, then all Town and Scum players do not.
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Apparently its actually PFK​

 

[spaceman98]

unvote:vote: Reidquat, Arakhor can wait until tomorrow, PIS around the Double A lynch is our best case right now.

 

[spaceman98]

*Double A's death, not lynch

 

[Backwards Logic]

Commentary: I went back through the thread to determine if Double A could have had both the upgrade and Gun simultaneously. Judging by the update post ((OOC: Visor, could you update front page with links to updates?)), it is conceivable that Double A could have had both the upgrade and gun at the same time, and dropped both on his death. It's not that far of a stretch, though from my knowledge of upgrades is highly unlikely.

Extension: It is more likely that the upgrade came from the defunct Buddhafish machine, which would match other parameters in my database. Therefore, while it is safe to say Double A did not possess both items at the same time, it also is not indicative of PIS on Riedquat's part as the conclusion he made can be inferred from just the updates alone. I am willing to go as far to say this is not a case of PIS.

Statement: All of that said, have we gotten a claim from Riedquat yet? Lastly, Backwards Logic for Lieutenant.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Setup:
The Town are known as The Machines. Their goal is to wipe out all of Flip Hero's Team and any and all PFK players.

Flip Hero's Team is this game’s Scum. All have the following win condition: "You win when the total number of your faction is greater than or equal to half the total number of living players, and all PFK have been eliminated from the game.”

Third Party Players are players that are neither Machine nor Flip Hero aligned but are not a threat to the win condition of either side. They may be Survivors, or who knows what… the specifics of each win condition may vary, but third party players can win along with either the Machines or Flip Hero.

PFK Players are players that are not a member of either Machines or Flip Hero's team and ARE a threat to the win condition of either side. They may be Serial Killers, Mad Bombers, or something altogether different. A PFK player may or may not be able to win alongside some third party players, but if a PFK player wins, then all Town and Scum players do not.

It is entirely possible the host system is stating possibilities which may not be in play.

Active units list:

2. Spaceman98
3. Backwards Logic
4. Jarrema
5. Winston Hughes
6. Choxorn
8. BSmith
9. edse
13. Askthepizzaguy
15. Kaiser Electric - WILL BE WOGGED TODAY IF HE DOESN'T POST
18. Arakhor
19. Azzaman333
21. Riedquat
22. Bladescape
23. Coyosis

Okay, now, assume the absolute best case scenario for team blue:

Only one third party.
Only one pfk.
Two of team flip remaining.
And it just so happens one of the non-blues is getting wogged.
And Askthepizzaunit happened to replace into the game as a pfk, so it would be super obvious and easy to lynch.

Spoiler :

2. Spaceman98
3. Backwards Logic
4. Jarrema
8. BSmith
9. edse
18. Arakhor
19. Azzaman333
21. Riedquat
22. Bladescape
23. Coyosis

13. Askthepizzaguy
15. Kaiser Electric - WILL BE WOGGED TODAY IF HE DOESN'T POST
5. Winston Hughes
6. Choxorn

Okay, so that's the best case.

What's more likely than that? Further, let me firmly establish myself as not third party or pfk. How about three of team red, and have the unfortunate situation be that Kaiser also happened to be on team blue due to sheer odds.

Spoiler :

2. Spaceman98
3. Backwards Logic
4. Jarrema
8. BSmith
9. edse
13. Askthepizzaguy
15. Kaiser Electric - WILL BE WOGGED TODAY IF HE DOESN'T POST
22. Bladescape
23. Coyosis

19. Azzaman333
18. Arakhor
21. Riedquat
5. Winston Hughes
6. Choxorn

Assume worst case, a mislynch today and a wog unfavorable to team blue.

Spoiler :

2. Spaceman98
3. Backwards Logic
4. Jarrema
8. BSmith
9. edse
22. Bladescape
23. Coyosis

19. Azzaman333
18. Arakhor
21. Riedquat
5. Winston Hughes
6. Choxorn

If this were to be the case, and I'm talking numerically, not specific to these particular players, then team blue really needs to be careful about mislynching today.

I have the unique perspective that I know for certain I am not a third party or pfk person, and I also know that I'm not on team evil.

From that vantage point, I consider it unlikely that there even are pfks or third parties in this game.

I think they were included by the game host as a "cover all bases" set of definitions.

I know this seems like a stretch, but hear me out:

• ASSUME Askthepizzaguy is not a PFK, not a third party with killing power.
• ASSUME KaiserElectric is also not a PFK / third party etc and is wogged today revealing that fact

Then what evidence do we have of their existence?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Those numbers are before the nightkill(s). Things get even worse after that.

 

[Backwards Logic]

From that vantage point, I consider it unlikely that there even are pfks or third parties in this game.

I think they were included by the game host as a "cover all bases" set of definitions.

I know this seems like a stretch, but hear me out:

• ASSUME Askthepizzaguy is not a PFK, not a third party with killing power.
• ASSUME KaiserElectric is also not a PFK / third party etc and is wogged today revealing that fact

Then what evidence do we have of their existence?

Answer: There is a claimed organic/non-organic scanner in the game. Working under the assumption all of Flip Hero's team is mechanical (OOC: don't know the canon but that seems to be the indication), then the presence of aforementioned scanner would be useless. Therefore, it's my best guess that the organic team is a third-party and the scanner itself verifies their existence.

Statement: I also agree with your findings on the necessity of a timely lynch of Flip Hero's and/or PFK. It is not quite crunch time, but it is definitely getting there.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

If we assume organic units are not flip hero's team for the sake of argument, and that it refers to third party, we would be a lot closer to solving things if any organic unit in the game were to voluntarily reveal itself.

The organic scanner would then have a much more accurate picture of the setup.

I doubt that an organic on flip hero's side would reveal itself, as it is too attention drawing, but I would not object to that possibility either.

Remaining anonymous is anti-Machine given how close we are to losing control of the vote in the worst case scenario.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

PFK is a threat, but just as much a threat to flip hero's team, and commands far less of the vote.