NotW LVII - Tempus Fugit (game thread)

Why leave your vote on Auto?
Why not? Pretty random vote on an inactive. Though has posted since then IIRC.
Do you have any leans at this point?
Not really. I suspect most scums are keeping low as D1 bandwagons don't need a lot of reasoning behind them and more active players tends to be targeted D1.

Newyn is being rather quiet, anybody up for voting him?
 
Between null Newyn and pingy spaceman I'd lynch Spaceman.

Newyn should become un-null at some point, lynching him here with no warning with only a few hours to go is likely to create a day 2 with a couple dead townies and a truly wasted d1. But if he is a wolf, push him.
 
Few hours One hour and a half to go.

I looked at Jarema given the votes on him to see if I wanted to vote there.

I don't know. I can't clear him. I'd probably vote spaceman over Jarema.

Looking at Auto.
 
As ATPG says, there's only 1.5 hours left. The leading lynches right now are Spaceman (5), Lohrenswald (4) and Jarrema (4).
 
Alright, so atpg has declared himself to be somebody named "Jesus". Intriguing. That doesn't seem very Varethite to me. I think I'll inject myself into Cuth and diceroller's little bickering in the corner. C and V rhyme, so clearly a name starting with C is good cover for a Varethite :P .
Enough of Cuth, I think I meant Cass anyway. This is the problem with time.

Lohrenswald looks tasty and obstinate.

I'd definitely lynch Autolycus here.
 
So let's make this interesting

Unvote spaceman98

Vote Autolycus


Should create a 4-4-4-4 tally

Where I do believe 2 of the persons being voted are likely to be mafia, those being Space and Auto.

And Lohrenswald is an obvious villager, and Jarrema is not.
 
FOS anyone voting Jarrema where he flips villager

Kudos everyone voting Jarrema where he flips scum

Boo everyone voting Lohrens, he never flips scum here.
 
Spaceman98 (4): Kennigit, atheotes, Mat93, Jarrema
Lohrenswald (4): Lassie, Cuthillius, Takhisis, Autolycus
Autolycus (4): Sprig, Snerk, BSmith1068, Askthepizzaguy
Jarrema (4): Al Sipsclar, Golden1Knight, DuffKilligan, Cass_

Cuthillius (2): Murska, spaceman98

choxorn (1): Zack
Mat93 (1): choxorn
Murska (1): Newyn
Zack (1): dicetosser1

Not Voting: Lohrenswald
Not Posting: KingMorgan

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GLGL
 
1. Why Atheotes?/Why higher than Spaceman?
2. What makes Jarrema Town?

1. just 'cuz
2. RNG



Most cases are built on people ignoring game mechanics

Eg it's why it is impossible for me to ever read takhisis as town because he *always* scummily posts things that like could be a slight mislead when I know he knows otherwise (but i can never know what he does have)

Eg today he was one of the "well it is only day 1" when I bet he is sitting on some silly day-affecting ability

Like honestly i bet if people are just truthful and don't pretend to all be cruddy little vanillas when we know everyone has a passive or active role, we'd win easily and crush the varethites
I don't really understand what you're getting at here. Is this an argument for early role claims? What do you mean by both of the bold?

1. general takhisis statement. A good scum softly misleads townies or make sure they can't figure out game mechanics (e.g. priority #1: how many scum are there?)

2.
There are both active abilities, which may take effect in either the day or the night phase, and passive abilities, which are (usually) always in effect. Every character will have at least one power.
 
Not a problem. 1st vote was random (obviously), second was sheeping as I had no reads and was going off yours (with the idea that a read is better than no reads), and now I'm finding Lohrens scummy myself.

That being said if spaceman flips scum I fully expect to be lynched the day after (if I'm still alive then).

If you had no read on Spaceman, what gave you the impression that Pizza had a worthwhile read on him in the first place?


Scummy or different?

Lohrenswald is simply different. And as scum he voted for people in Aspiring Rapper's mafia on day one.

His posts are null at worst right now, in my opinion.

Right now Lohrenswald is camping in the thread and contributing more posts than almost anyone else, with content and reasoning that challenges convention. And it's earning him additional "odd thing happening itt" votes.

His motivation to do so as a wolf is
:

Agree with the bold.

Choxorn-
Spoiler :


Null

Generic post.


That's all I got from choxorn when I voted him.

This isn't outside of choxorn's town or mafia range. He's null and I can't read him villager and the second post just feels like filler.

It's very mild but I'm looking for people to not-lynch and choxorn isn't going to make it on that list today posting this way.
And the gut feels what it feels.

Chox has tripled his post count since then but ok, I essentially have no arguments with the bold here and I don't disagree with null read.
FTR this is why your 'not WTL' Tak stands out to me and I can't understand a gut read either way for either of them at this/that point.


Next

Spaceman-
Spoiler :


Null / scummy (making a tally by post 22 of the game is not villagery, reads as an odd attempt to look helpful which indicates someone trying to ingratiate themselves to the group.)

Not going to quote this next one, here's the link

I hate the way he responded to Lassie. Feels like contradiction, trying to turn a villager's words against him. Spaceman- I've wolfed with, he has no fear and is aggressive enough to simply start batting townies around.

Then he tried to tell me my posts aren't indicative of my alignment.

Even if they're not, telling me that isn't solving, it's simply being argumentative and contradictory.

The town reads at the end feel tacked on and disconnected from his post where he told me my posts aren't alignment indicative, then read me mildly town.

None of his other posts made me feel better.


I can go through my town reads one by one.

Lohrenswald's posting has allowed me something more tangible to articulate my earlier gut feeling about him. Now it's something very solid. Town will be extremely daft lynching him today, helpful/solving or not.

Grabbing the other names...

Much the same here as above though FWIW the early tally pinged me too but I put it down as actually null/likely tinfoil.

FTR I had him as null, possibly Town for everything except the tinfoil on the tally on re-read. Cuth and Lassie both slightly sus to me by that post (Cuth for ?overselling case on Lohr, Lassie mostly for null posts, weirdness between the two and effectively sheeping suspicion on Lohr). I could follow the logic and didn't have a problem with his town reads at the end ("Townie points to Lohrenswald for going after Pizza despite public opinion. Pizza is probably town (though hard to say. This is his play regardless of allignment), but I doubt scum Lohrenswald would have exposed themselves like that").

Essentially it's the same point you're making about Lohr, only earlier.

What do you make of Lassie and Jarrema's votes on Lohr and Jarrema's shift to Spaceman to tie his wagon with Cuth?


I don't care if the lynch is choxorn or spaceman or someone else. I have better villager reads than wolf reads atm. Don't lynch the villager reads is all I'm asking for.

@Cass

That explain things?
Enough for now (ta), although I can't comment on your role and I disagree with/struggle to follow the reasoning on a couple of your Town reads (Tak and Kenni in particular).


Why not? Pretty random vote on an inactive. Though has posted since then IIRC.

Not really. I suspect most scums are keeping low as D1 bandwagons don't need a lot of reasoning behind them and more active players tends to be targeted D1.

Newyn is being rather quiet, anybody up for voting him?

Bold = hence my question. He's posted twice, once to vote Cuth and next switching to Lohr.
1. Do you have a specific tendency/preference to vote/lynch inactives on D1? (If so, why?)
2. Did you gather a lean from either of Auto's posts?
3. What are your own thoughts on Cuth/Lohr?
4. Why canvass rather than switch your vote wrt Newyn?

Between null Newyn and pingy spaceman I'd lynch Spaceman.

Newyn should become un-null at some point, lynching him here with no warning with only a few hours to go is likely to create a day 2 with a couple dead townies and a truly wasted d1. But if he is a wolf, push him.
I agree with Pizza wrt not lynching Newyn today but ftr the bold is slightly sus.
 
Re: Newyn

It's really bad to lynch him here if he's a villager, because we learn nothing except that people were willing to push an afk and he flipped townie.

If he is a wolf, then lynching him today is superb. it's just really high risk, high reward, low odds of success kind of deal.

That's what that was about.

Newyn is also a truly exceptional mafia player as either alignment, ftr
 
Bold = hence my question. He's posted twice, once to vote Cuth and next switching to Lohr.
1. Do you have a specific tendency/preference to vote/lynch inactives on D1? (If so, why?)
2. Did you gather a lean from either of Auto's posts?
3. What are your own thoughts on Cuth/Lohr?
4. Why canvass rather than switch your vote wrt Newyn?
1. Not necessarily a preference but lynching an inactive D1 can be a decent move. Could hit a scum, and if not the player might have been wogged later on anyways.
2. If it's a lean it's a soft lean at best: staying low, light on content, un-confrontational, and complaining about little time. All things I tend to do when scummy.
3. Not much yet. I've never played with Lohr as scum, and if I have with Cuth it's too long ago.
4. Day is just about over. No point switching if I'm alone in the deed.
 
Should make final decisions now rather than in the final minutes.

You don't like any of the 4 top 4 candidates then talk to me about a CFD that has to happen approximately right now.

Otherwise a townie should break the tie and lynch a scumbag today.
 
So assuming no more votes are cast, which one of the four leading lynchees gets hung?
 
Hint: Not you.

Because then I'll move my vote again.

This round will not go to a 4-way rand (if it is a rand) so long as I'm villager reading someone inside the 4.
 
If you had no read on Spaceman, what gave you the impression that Pizza had a worthwhile read on him in the first place?

Not so much that its worthwhile, just that it is one. Worthwhile read > read > no read.
 
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