NotW LVII - Tempus Fugit (game thread)

[Zack]

I tend to agree that Zack isn't looking good, leading lynches on villagers yet again and his attitude and actions are reminding me a lot of his last game where he was scum.

Vote Zack

are you gonna tunnel me in every damn game

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I understand your reasoning. I'm interested in why you're applying it selectively.

This phenomenon is at least easier to describe

Spoiler :

My attention is focused on a few select players at a time

I can be capable of unevenly reading players because if I'm looking at Autolycus up and down all day, and someone is behaving in exactly similar ways as Autolycus, but that player just happened to not be the focus of my attention, the natural question to ask is why Auto and why not other player, for example.

It's because not all the players in the game are on my radar at the same level of detail at once.

My nine villager reads yesterday did not include several people I could have villager-read but simply did not because I didn't read their posts carefully. There's sort of a limit to my attention span and often times reads on players will be delayed.

To give a recent example our DM players can understand, in the game I vigged Zander I had him as a mild town read but also frustratingly way more null than usual most of the game, until Shad had me read a recent exchange he had with Zander which I had skimmed past and not really absorbed.

Once it was on my radar I found it much scummier and pushed him hard.

That's how my villager brain works. I'm not even, consistent, or even noticing everything at once. Stuff slips by me easily. My attention is focused in several places at once but other stuff is ignored.

The end result is weird reads which stick out, or suddenly change, or are delayed, or change from game to game, because sometimes behavior that's townie in one game is nearly duplicated in another, but one thing feels wrong and that's enough to make me suspicious, and it might not even be something I can articulate. Or if I can, it's not persuasive and is too much of a gut feel to be useful to others.

In Auto's case here specifically, spaceman was a townie, Lohrens I feel is a townie, and the activity level at end of d1 indicated tension and fear. One or both of Auto and Jarrema are not villagers. And that means it doesn't have to be anything Autolycus did.

I know it's thin. It could be wrong. It could be right. Thin isn't persuasive. But I think it is correct and I'll push it here even if it is thin.

And Takhisis, he's on my radar all game so far in some fashion. I want to read him correctly and move on.

If he's a townie I want to defend him, if he's a scum I want to also see it and lynch him. I've unfortunately tried both already this round because I wasn't sure.

 

[Newyn]

I tend to agree that Zack isn't looking good, leading lynches on villagers yet again and his attitude and actions are reminding me a lot of his last game where he was scum.

Vote Zack

So you're telling me that Takhisis isn't scum because you are?

 

[Zack]

I'd appreciate it if you just admitted that you're more interested in focusing on which of {auto, lohrenswald, jarrema} is scum, and since Takhisis isn't part of that group you're not immediately interested in lynching him. Because I don't buy your sudden change of heart on Takhisis, it feels fake to me, like you just want to re-direct focus onto the tied candidates from yesterday. Which is not bad, per se, but it is annoying that you won't admit that.

edit: crosspost, this was addressed to atpg

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

so town for me atm

Pizza
Lohren
Duff
knight

scum
mat slight waffle here very slight tho
zack
auto

vote auto he flips scum I think zack is confirmed

You got a town-read on Duff? I had him as null which is why I targeted him. (Can go into this part more later) Can you name the posts/reasons why you've got him as townie?

Golden1Knight I kind of feel like his opener was villagery because of the smiley face, for all the absurd reasons. Like I know that's absurd and yet I still think it's correct and a real tell, and I can't even explain why that is so. Mat gave me conflicting and mostly negative feelings yesterday. But it wasn't enough to push him immediately.

Thoughts on Cass? Her energy level seems super low, like crazy low. I kind of want an explanation for that.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd appreciate it if you just admitted that you're more interested in focusing on which of {auto, lohrenswald, jarrema} is scum, and since Takhisis isn't part of that group you're not immediately interested in lynching him. Because I don't buy your sudden change of heart on Takhisis, it feels fake to me, like you just want to re-direct focus onto the tied candidates from yesterday. Which is not bad, per se, but it is annoying that you won't admit that.

edit: crosspost, this was addressed to atpg

It's not the case but I can see why you'd think that. Also I think it doesn't matter enough to the game for me to fight that particular battle, so I'll agree to admit that even if it's wrong.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Even taking into account this isn't Cass' home board, and how unproductive spammy town was last game,

Feb 17, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 19, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 19, 2016, 08:06 PM
Feb 19, 2016, 09:41 PM
Feb 19, 2016, 10:08 PM

And only 6 posts is a particularly out of character and scummy postcount/timestamp combination, even ignoring the content, for Cass.

Cass should be nearly as irrepressible as me or Lassie. Even the futility of last game should never cause her enthusiasm and post levels to drop this much, and even if she had made a conscious decision to post less regardless of what role she randed, it still shouldn't be this small from her.

This can be wrong since my meta on Cass isn't extensive, but I have felt town Cass' townie-ness radiate before and this isn't that so it needs to be explained and examined.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Only one double post seems really wrong, for example.

 

[DuffKilligan]

are you gonna tunnel me in every damn game

Totes Def

 

[Takhisis]

Thoughts on Cass? Her energy level seems super low, like crazy low. I kind of want an explanation for that.

It's Caturday night.

xpost edit:
Voting the same player over and over is one extremely baka tactic. I'll cast my fish fingers of suspicion at you, DuffKilligan.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Duff

Can you find me several villagers with reasons

I'm shooting for at least 3 but you can feel free to go above the minimum.

Right or wrong on Zack here's your chance to show off in a game you're an active player in, so avail yourself of the opportunity. It will help me un-null you.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's Caturday night.

Not between 17th and 19th it wasn't.

 

[Takhisis]

Every day is a Caturday, pizza-kun.

 

[Cuthillius]

Hm. Voteicetosser.

 

[Cuthillius]

I find the way in which he comes to the same conclusion as everyone else a little off, particularly as I feel it's in a slightly shady and misdirectional fashion. His reads list is also very consensusy.

 

[DuffKilligan]

@Duff

Can you find me several villagers with reasons

I'm shooting for at least 3 but you can feel free to go above the minimum.

Right or wrong on Zack here's your chance to show off in a game you're an active player in, so avail yourself of the opportunity. It will help me un-null you.

On Lorhen I'm intrigued because purposefully not voting sounds kind of scummy because to me it sounds like a wolf not wanting to be connected to a lynch of a villager (unless of course this is how he normally plays then correct me if I'm wrong).

Chox so far strikes me as a likely villager, mainly because in his posts I find nothing that sticks out to me as wolfish.

Jarrema strikes me as a little wolfish because of his mindless jump on the spaceman bandwagon and has been very quiet and useless.

ATPG i'm leaning towards villager because your posts have been quality and unless you start leading us around lynching villagers and such my opinion on that probably won't change.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

His reads list is also very consensusy.

I don't think so. I think it looks that way on the surface, but I hardly think that Duff, Knight, or Mat are particularly consensusy. Without checking I doubt Duff or Knight were the subject of much attention at all, let alone reads. Or zack, I don't think there's consensus anything on Zack. I'm a really easy townread, so little surprise I appear on a list. Lohren has posted a lot and has been the focus of a lot of voting and alignment discussion, so him appearing on that list is very natural.

 

[Takhisis]

And as for yourself, Mr. Killigan?

 

[Zack]

ATPG i'm leaning towards villager because your posts have been quality and unless you start leading us around lynching villagers and such my opinion on that probably won't change.

Were you asleep yesterday? You're voting me for "lynching villagers", did you forget who spearheaded that cause?

Stop tunneling me. Your "case" on me is bogus, as seen here by your claim that pizza is likely villager (edit: that is, the reasoning given for that read).

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

On Lorhen I'm intrigued because purposefully not voting sounds kind of scummy because to me it sounds like a wolf not wanting to be connected to a lynch of a villager (unless of course this is how he normally plays then correct me if I'm wrong).

Chox so far strikes me as a likely villager, mainly because in his posts I find nothing that sticks out to me as wolfish.

Jarrema strikes me as a little wolfish because of his mindless jump on the spaceman bandwagon and has been very quiet and useless.

ATPG i'm leaning towards villager because your posts have been quality and unless you start leading us around lynching villagers and such my opinion on that probably won't change.

I think Lohren was just fine with voting for villagers all Rapper's mafia which you followed, not just early. He didn't mind being the vote that caused them to die either.

Your reason on choxorn is that you don't have a reason to find him to be a wolf, I need something more like positive evidence, not the absence of evidence. Basically something that is harder to backtrack on, or would at least require a reason to backtrack on.

Jarrema, I can't put him as a townie right now based on what I've seen, and your stated reason can be wolfy even if its not unusual for him.

As for myself I'm going to try to prevent villagers from being lynched and make it hard for wolves to generate momentum on villagers, if I can see that they are villagery. If villagers prevent or reverse votes on villager reads that actually are villagers, it becomes frustrating and stressful to be a wolf.

We also don't have to be extremely accurate, just accurate enough to pass the game. I think this is do-able.

Just do the hard work grinding out villager reads and be careful to make sure they are villager reads, and create a smaller and smaller pool of mislynches for the wolves to work with. That is a long-term slog the wolves should often lose.