NotW XLI: Chronomancy Redux [Game Thread]

[Optical]

Winston the demon must be killed today.

 

[Earthling]

I don't see what's so confusing about that.

It's not confusing, it's just a bit suspicious. Especially Takhisis turning his vote around and not lynching you after he wanted to at first, despite that by that time you must've known more about each other than you let on publicly. Both of you are easily in the running for Chronomancer connections. We also don't know what you did on other nights - if you're an Innocent looking for baddies rather than a scum with a secondary, mayhem causing ability, why wasn't this every night?

Also, it really is worth pointing out at least two demons with "Infernal" items and at least one Chronomancer with the Hourglass were extremely exposed to simple item theft. Sure, maybe we can doubt the talents and planning of these enemies among us, but if you are an Innocent who realized your importance here you weren't acting like it.

Seon should tell us all specifically if the "Infernal Necklace" does what is claimed, creating unclean lynches, and yes, he'd be a good call to destroy it if so, that's a start. On that matter:

Let's go ahead and lynch Winston to make sure the deed is done today.

This reasoning seems bad. You could just bandwagon with no reason, yet you give a poor one. What, exactly, causes you to think there is something to "make sure" of? Do you have a reason to believe a vig-kill wouldn't succeed, or are you worried about an unclean lynch or something more subtle you are paying attention to? In which case you should be on the case for Yoshi for abstaining and not making this unanimous.

Don't let the easy bandwagon today kill discussion everyone, we should have more to discuss.

 

[GamezRule]

Meh, I got nothin better. Winston it is.

 

[Yoshiegg737]

I read the thread. How silly of me.

Winston

 

[Takhisis]

^Lame x2.

 

[Earthling]

One last observation here, and yes I know I'm implying it could just be a little more to sound bad on Takhisis who's been acting scummy and keeps proclaiming he's a smelly hillbilly all the time, and Autolycus who is in a curious spot.

Can someone explain how Mergle had 3/4 Strength or caused an unclean lynch yesterday? It seems to me Autolycus caused the unclean lynch which he was nearly a part of, which makes even less sense if they were both Innocent, especially with the item he just supposedly stole from Winston only last night.

Until this afternoon I'm still voting for Winston as we all are unanimously, assuming nothing unexpected happens, but I strongly think we should consider the vig-kill on Winston and a lynch on someone else.

 

[HarkonnenII]

Well what item did mergle have, if any?

 

[Earthling]

He had those goggles and presumably he's otherwise an Innocent, so I don't see why there was an unclean lynch yesterday, though Autolycus was somehow dragged in, which also doesn't make sense as the vote didn't appear to be tied. Very odd claims of a lynch-countering item of Winston's, that is interesting though.

This bit between Autolycus and Winston just still doesn't make sense to me, it's a believable half-story but there has to be something more. Not so much on Winston's side in that I doubt he'll explain much more that's both true and could help the town, but what is up with Autolycus.

 

[Takhisis]

A) I'm not a smelly hillbilly. You're all odorless plainslanders.
b) How am I scummy? (think on the answer, silly).

 

[Earthling]

The dwarf-talk is just slight scumminess because it's distracting, but there's lots of substance otherwise. You tried to lynch a probable townie (civplayah) which would have saved a Chronomancer from a lynch, and did lynch a townie for sure yesterday (Mergle) with rapid bandwagonning. You also took a 180 in opinion about Autolycus, so I'm just thinking between you and Autolycus, after the Mergle lynch and both of you doing whatever with items to each other, there's more we need to know.

I'm not sure who knows much about you at all and what you've said in public is not illuminating, it's just a lot of fingerpointing without providing new info, and you seem to be sucking up to Harkonnen at the expense of other townies getting stuff done. Nothing wrong with Harkonnen being in charge of a lot of stuff to me because I really believe he's town, but "everyone do as little as possible and wait for Harkonnen's approval on everything" as an excuse for other townies to not get or do stuff they need will hurt the town in the long run.

 

[Autolycus]

I did not use my ability on the two intervening nights because I didn't want to give up my piece of the dwarven armour, since it's my P.O. to acquire all three. If anyone did have their item swapped during the intervening nights, please, call me on it. The first night I was testing my theory that the dwarves each had a piece of the dwarven armour, so I lost one piece, but got another. Not knowing that there would be explicitly Chronomantic or Infernal items before yesterday, I had no reason to believe that my ability could be used as a scan. Last night, I swapped away my piece of Dwarven armour, since it was the only item I had, and the scan possibilities were now evident. I'm guessing I won't see it again until the Demons are dead.

Unless I had two items at the start, Takhisis can vouch that all I had was a piece of Dwarven armour, and unless Takhisis had two items, I can vouch that all he had was a piece of Dwarven Armour.

 

[Earthling]

Well, that makes a lot of sense, just wanted to be thorough. I assume Seon will eventually confirm whatever we need about Winston's item and destroying that item would sound very smart. It's unlikely you and Takhisis are both scum together, that would be foolhardy moves on your part, I know that.

His vote for you on the lynch makes even less sense in light of the above though. (Not forgetting his already suspicious support of a Chronomancer) And there could yet be some other explanation for Mergle's unclean lynch, if it's due to scum it'll be unresolved probably permanently, but we'll see.

 

[Takhisis]

The dwarf-talk is just slight scumminess because it's distracting,

It's something called 'roleplaying'. You don't need that much subtlety to find out what that is.

but there's lots of substance otherwise. You tried to lynch a probable townie (civplayah)

Of which you have no proof, and there were a few other players on that vote besides the demons trying to save BSmith.

which would have saved a Chronomancer from a lynch,

How was I supposed to know? How did you 'know' he was a Chronomancer? Or did you just do what every player does and choose between the scummiest players available?

and did lynch a townie for sure yesterday (Mergle) with rapid bandwagonning.

Our friend Autolycus here was on that vote too. Zack as well. Why don't you go shove your barrelfuls of lunacy on top of them?
Hey, here's something: if you were so keen on Mergle surviving, why didn't you support him?

You also took a 180 in opinion about Autolycus, so I'm just thinking between you and Autolycus, after the Mergle lynch and both of you doing whatever with items to each other, there's more we need to know.

Maybe this 180 miiight have been due to Auto making at least partially crdeible claims to unscummicity, which, frankly, you don't have? Hey, here's something, Earthling. Some more something, actually: why don'y you actually prove your Innocence? I'm tempted to ask Sir Knight to make you shut up so at least we cn point at the scum instead of you hogging the thread like you do in every game.

I'm not sure who knows much about you at all and what you've said in public is not illuminating, it's just a lot of fingerpointing without providing new info,

Woooow. At least I point my finger at someone instead of just blundering going on and on at the same person over and over again like you do every single game.

and you seem to be sucking up to Harkonnen at the expense of other townies getting stuff done. Nothing wrong with Harkonnen being in charge of a lot of stuff to me because I really believe he's town, but "everyone do as little as possible and wait for Harkonnen's approval on everything" as an excuse for other townies to not get or do stuff they need will hurt the town in the long run.

So you say there's nothing wrong with HarkonnenII getting a lot of stuff but then, in the same sentence, you say there is? Please, take some chill pills.

Unless I had two items at the start, Takhisis can vouch that all I had was a piece of Dwarven armour, and unless Takhisis had two items, I can vouch that all he had was a piece of Dwarven Armour.

Yes, yes, I did get my piece of dwarven armour exchanged for one piece of Autolycus', he's telling the truth so far. Obviously I can't corroborate his (in)activity on the other two nights, duh. Even you can realise that, Earthling.

Do you even read your posts after you read them? Do you even realise how insufferable you are?

 

[TheForestAuro]

NotW XLI: Afternoon Three - [PHASE 14]

My Grandfather died today and I didn't really want to count up votes, so someone else can do that if they want. Try to imagine the storm getting within striking range.

It is now AFTERNOON THREE
Accusation Votes are in BLACK
Support Votes are in GREEN
Votes for the Spooky Goggles are in PURPLE
Votes for the Green Flame Torch are in RED
If you have Afternoon Phase abilities, Send them to me!
24 Hours Until Night Phase!​

 

[Optical]

My condolences.

 

[Red_Spy]

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[Optical]

Goggles:
HarkonnenII: 4 (General Olaf, johnhughtom
Nictel: 2 (Nictel,
civplayah: 1 (Earthling)

Torch:
HarkonnenII: 4 (General Olaf, johnhughtom
Nictel: 2 (Nictel,
civplayah: 1 (Earthling)

LYNCH:
Winston_Hughes: 15 (General Olaf, Yoshiegg737, Save_Ferris, johnhughtom,
Seon: 1
Save_Ferris: 1

Sorry, forgot to take note of who voted what. What I can remember is there.

 

[Nictel]

Sorry to hear that TFA..


As for the game: Lets not give the items to HarkonnenII, shall we? Even if there is only a little bit of doubt.

 

[Jarrema]

If there is anyone among us who can determine his (Harkonnen) allegiance, please try to do that...

 

[Frozen In Ice]

This reasoning seems bad. You could just bandwagon with no reason, yet you give a poor one. What, exactly, causes you to think there is something to "make sure" of? Do you have a reason to believe a vig-kill wouldn't succeed, or are you worried about an unclean lynch or something more subtle you are paying attention to? In which case you should be on the case for Yoshi for abstaining and not making this unanimous.

Don't let the easy bandwagon today kill discussion everyone, we should have more to discuss.

I'd say it is a lot more likely for a vig kill to fail then a lynch. Plus I feel like we don't really need a vig kill today as we're making great progress as it is killing scum.

Torch and Goggles to Nictel. We shouldn't put all of our items in one basket. There is only so much the Knight can do at once.