NotW XLI: Chronomancy Redux [Game Thread]

[Takhisis]

Tallies:
Lynch
Winston_Hughes (HarkonnenII; Autolycus; Jarrema; Earthling; Zack; Save_Ferris; johnhughthom; Romanichine; landlubber; civplayah; Frozen In Ice; Seon; General Olaf; GamezRule; Yoshiegg737)
Seon (Nictel)
Save_Ferris (Takhisis)
Green Flame Torch
HarkonnenII (General Olaf; Zack; johnhughthom)
Nictel (Nictel; landlubber; Frozen In Ice)
civplayah (Earthling)
Spooky Goggles
HarkonnenII (General Olaf; Zack; johnhughthom)
Nictel (Nictel; landlubber; Frozen In Ice)
civplayah (Earthling)

 

[Earthling]

There is no benefit we know of in giving the items to Nictel, so HarkonnenII it is again.

As for a vig-kill today, it's a clear chance to take out another demon. It seems pretty certain anyone else would be revived with the next time skip, which means they should be revived almost immediately, at most they lose their item to coming up to vote if they're town. Not worth the shot at killing demons to you?

 

[Frozen In Ice]

I feel that at the pace we're going that a vig kill is really necessary, but if Harkonnen has a someone specific in mind, than he can go ahead.

 

[Takhisis]

I'm not sure who knows much about you at all and what you've said in public is not illuminating, it's just a lot of fingerpointing without providing new info, and you seem to be sucking up to Harkonnen at the expense of other townies getting stuff done. Nothing wrong with Harkonnen being in charge of a lot of stuff to me because I really believe he's town, but "everyone do as little as possible and wait for Harkonnen's approval on everything" as an excuse for other townies to not get or do stuff they need will hurt the town in the long run.

There is no benefit we know of in giving the items to Nictel, so HarkonnenII it is again.

Look who's talking!

 

[Earthling]

There are far too many absent people (lurkers and inactives) to not give that a shot even without other leads.

I don't see that it's been really addressed why we shouldn't use the chance to catch a demon, unless you have a different theory or see downsides to the next time skip which you didn't share. It still seems like if only a townie is vig-killed, they will be revived again anyway, if someone doesn't have something very specific to say contrary to that.

 

[Nictel]

So lets all follow Harkonnen. Like a bunch of sheep!

 

[Nictel]

to the slaughter

 

[momo1000]

hmmm, maybe we should just throw the items into the well?

 

[Jarrema]

maybe...
at least suspiciously looking ones - demonic, for example

 

[Winston Hughes]

@Earthling

I'm not sure what it is that you're trying to achieve with all those private messages you keep spamming me with. But I find it interesting that you're prepared to give me information which is not only unknown to the town at large, but also contradicts quite a bit of what you've been saying to them in public.

 

[Earthling]

But I find it interesting that you're prepared to give me information which is not only unknown to the town at large, but also contradicts quite a bit of what you've been saying to them in public.

Yeah, none of this is true, at all.

I find it interesting you wanted to convince us to focus on the Chronomancers and instead of offering any leads at all you threaten townies more, here and in private, because I'm happy enough to push for a full elimination of the demons too, with as many vig-kills as we can get when those seem better used against you than the Chronomancers.

It is true that I still don't believe that Winston's item does exactly what he says (which, besides general Chronomancer leads, is what he refused to elaborate on in private) or that what Autolycus knows about it is fully right, however if the item is in Seon's hands and he will destroy it then it's kinda settled.

 

[Winston Hughes]

I find it interesting you wanted to convince us to focus on the Chronomancers and instead of offering any leads at all you threaten townies more, here and in private, because I'm happy enough to push for a full elimination of the demons too, with as many vig-kills as we can get when those seem better used against you than the Chronomancers.

So what you're saying - as you've been saying for a while - is that town should give the Chronomancers a free ride. Meanwhile, in private, you're arguing that we demons should concentrate on killing the people you claim are likely Chronomancers, based on information that you haven't shared with the other townies. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly what a Chronomancer would be trying to do right now?

If, for one second, you stopped assuming everyone else was a complete idiot, perhaps you'd realise how unbelievably transparent this crap really is.

It is true that I still don't believe that Winston's item does exactly what he says

That's because you apparently have a problem with listening to what people actually say, rather than making up some nonsense in your own head for reasons nobody else can fathom.

 

[Takhisis]

So lets all follow Harkonnen. Like a bunch of sheep!

to the slaughter

Eh????

Also, you're a newcomer and start an item-grab on your first turn? Almost fosworthy, Nictel.

@Earthling

I'm not sure what it is that you're trying to achieve with all those private messages you keep spamming me with. But I find it interesting that you're prepared to give me information which is not only unknown to the town at large, but also contradicts quite a bit of what you've been saying to them in public.

Yeah, none of this is true, at all.

I find it interesting you wanted to convince us to focus on the Chronomancers and instead of offering any leads at all you threaten townies more, here and in private, because I'm happy enough to push for a full elimination of the demons too, with as many vig-kills as we can get when those seem better used against you than the Chronomancers.

It is true that I still don't believe that Winston's item does exactly what he says (which, besides general Chronomancer leads, is what he refused to elaborate on in private) or that what Autolycus knows about it is fully right, however if the item is in Seon's hands and he will destroy it then it's kinda settled.

So you are in contact with Winston.

There are far too many absent people (lurkers and inactives) to not give that a shot even without other leads.

I don't see that it's been really addressed why we shouldn't use the chance to catch a demon, unless you have a different theory or see downsides to the next time skip which you didn't share. It still seems like if only a townie is vig-killed, they will be revived again anyway, if someone doesn't have something very specific to say contrary to that.

A) You ignored my post just above that one of yours.
B) You're championing the slaughter of inactives.

Added to your curious interactions with Winston and the fact that you insist on me 'saving' , fos:Earthling

 

[Earthling]

Again, none of this is true at all. Never said anything like that.

It is true that it's possibly more open and direct for the town to catch and kill the demons first, because we have multiple obvious tools to do so, while I only know of the lynch (or the demons' own kill) as a sure way to get a Chronomancer, which in practicality means we just have to get the lynches right.

I didn't claim I have any excellent leads on Chronomancers. I was asking you, demon, you being the one so desperate to get us to focus on the Chronomancers, who you would suggest as suspects, if you wanted us townies to pursue them. I didn't name anyone to you.

Ultimately I think Winston has just done an abysmal job of trying to twist things and he's certainly not going to be convincing townies to turn on each other.

Ask him why we should kill the Chronomancers first and how we should do so, and he refuses and threatens us implying that the town should kill the demons first after all. Ok, that'll be that.

 

[Winston Hughes]

You're starting to sound nervous there, Earthling.

I guess it's not surprising really, given how your attempt at manipulation has just blown up in your face. Did you really think I was going to go along with your ridiculous plan just because you PM'd me a couple of pages of lukewarm justification?

 

[Earthling]

All you really did was show unattentive people I'm not a demon, when townies already know I'm a townie anyway. Good for you on that. It's just you've made remarkably poor decisions and missed your chance to work for even secondary hopes of victory of this demonic incursion of yours. Ask you to justify to the town why we should focus on the Chronomancers first and you don't, much like BSmith couldn't say a single good word about the Chronomancers, you're both just bad and need to go. You've certainly failed at convincing people Harkonnen is a Chronomancer as that's ridiculous and really your words even helped more people think Autolycus is also town.

 

[Nictel]

Eh????

Also, you're a newcomer and start an item-grab on your first turn? Almost fosworthy, Nictel.

Why? They're useful items.

 

[Winston Hughes]

All you really did was show unattentive people I'm not a demon, when townies already know I'm a townie anyway. Good for you on that. It's just you've made remarkably poor decisions and missed your chance to work for even secondary hopes of victory of this demonic incursion of yours. Ask you to justify to the town why we should focus on the Chronomancers first and you don't, much like BSmith couldn't say a single good word about the Chronomancers, you're both just bad and need to go. You've certainly failed at convincing people Harkonnen is a Chronomancer as that's ridiculous and really your words even helped more people think Autolycus is also town.

Do you realise that these little rants just make you look even more suspicious?

Serious questions have been raised against the townie-ness of your actions, and yet all you're doing is attacking people who the town already know to be guilty.

As misdirection goes, that's hardly out of the top drawer now, is it?

 

[Earthling]

Serious questions? You mean lies by you, a known scum, and Takhisis, a possible scum?

I'll grant that Takhisis may be trying to get himself nightkilled if he is town, if so it remains a nice try, but he's been working at cross purposes, going after the wrong cases, and not really helping the townies enough.

 

[Autolycus]

I'm actually going to say that Nictel is not a bad choice for the items. I don't think it's likely that he's a Chronomancer, but he is getting close to have more items than he can use.