NOTW XXXIX: Impending Retribution Game Thread

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, one other comment;

The saboteurs and the rogues will have something nice and juicy to claim, but they will also know it's not really what they're here to do. And, there will be useful good officers here with something nice and juicy to claim, and the saboteurs and rogues will know it's what they're really here to do. But we won't be able to tell the difference between the good officers and the scums.

Bouncing from one suspect to another, forcing them to claim, and then moving on when they claim something useful will, guaranteed, do two things at the same time:


1. When we find a saboteur/murderer, we won't kill or brig them.

2. When we reveal an important innocent, that person is going to die at night.



Bottom line: really bad strategy on the part of the innocent officers. Check my math on that, I'm pretty confident this is fact.

 

[Duke Blackstone]

Oh, one other comment;

The saboteurs and the rogues will have something nice and juicy to claim, but they will also know it's not really what they're here to do. And, there will be useful good officers here with something nice and juicy to claim, and the saboteurs and rogues will know it's what they're really here to do. But we won't be able to tell the difference between the good officers and the scums.

Bouncing from one suspect to another, forcing them to claim, and then moving on when they claim something useful will, guaranteed, do two things at the same time:


1. When we find a saboteur/murderer, we won't kill or brig them.

2. When we reveal an important innocent, that person is going to die at night.



Bottom line: really bad strategy on the part of the innocent officers. Check my math on that, I'm pretty confident this is fact.

What would your suggested strategy be then? Wandering around blindly in the dar, bandwagoning possible innocents is not the best idea either.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

What would your suggested strategy be then? Wandering around blindly in the dar, bandwagoning possible innocents is not the best idea either.

I'm afraid what you've just described is our only means of victory, my friend.

One, we won't execute or brig ANY guilty people without several votes (ie a bandwagon....)

Two, if we let everyone go who claims a useful power, precisely how many guilty parties will we actually stick to our guns and imprison? (Answer: zero)

We may not LIKE the fact that our only tool is inaccurate, but if we don't use it, we might as well be punching holes in the ship ourselves or throwing ourselves overboard. We need to grit our teeth and deal with it.

There is enough independent support and suspicion on Nictel that I don't think it is a coincidence. I have faith in my own and others' ability to smell a rat, even if it takes a few tries. If we DON'T put a little faith in our own talents to uncover traitors in our midst, then our only alternative is drawing straws.

I want us to prevail, but I have no faith that utter randomness is going to cut it. We need to follow our logical suspicions.

I hate to break the news, but "bandwagoning possible innocents" is the ONLY idea. We need to get used to it, and be thankful there is a brig that makes our mistakes less permanent.

 

[Renata]

Just because I'm cute don't mean I ain't got a brain, old pirate. Give me some credit, sweetie.

 

[Renata]

Why? (on both counts)

I'm suspicious of you because you're talking a lot, but you ain't really saying much. And you're often just kind of randomly spreading suspicion. Let's see this very comment of yours I saved on my trusty video recorder, hmm?

I don't knouw, Herr Doktor. I vould point at peeple viz funny akzents.

Still riffing on a casting of suspicion on Seon that was nonsensical in the first place (how many NOTW games have you played, Takhisis? You know quite well the GMs of these games don't give away clues in the writeups. And now you just don't let it drop -- still hoping it will worm its way into someone's mind? Or trying to brush the lousy accusation off as just a joke all along?)

That's insubordination, talking of higher-ranked officers like that.

The same person who wanted to pile on Niklas who was unable to answer…

The dreaded trailing-off-voice (ellipses) of insinuation, with no backup and no intention of backup. You're doing this sort of thing over and over, stirring the pot without commitment.

Plus, you were flaky as all get out when we had a chat. Takhisis, hon, you're making my fingers itch. And not in a good way.

 

[Renata]

I'd also like to shine some sunlight on Mr. Johnhughthom. Let's see what he's been up to lately.

Vote: Winston Hughes

Seaman johnhughthom reporting. Can I shoot my big gun yet?

(In response to Darth Caesar voting Takhisis as being a good place to look for scum)

People who drop names without any evidence are even better.

I'm only a lowly Seaman whose big gun isn't working, these discussions are way over my head. Methos should be captain and take the items to distribute as he see's fit. I also have an irrational and irresistible urge to Vote: Winston Hughes .

I think Captain Methos should decide what to do with the crate, while hopefully the drug will enable Winston Hughes to walk properly again.

And shoes and moos.

OOC:

Spoiler :

He doesn't tip pizza delivery guys either.

Methos for the crate and assault rifle.

(And that's it. Last post on February 6th, four days ago.)

Now, it's well known that Seaman Johnhughthom has a bit of an unhealthy obsession with Winston Hughes, but it doesn't usually dominate his contribution to quite this extent. Other than that dalliance, what is there? Not a single accusation. Item votes to the Captain, the safest thing possible to do. Complete disappearance during the lynch of Commander Diamondeye, the most contentious thing that has happened on the ship in the whole crisis thus far. (Meta -- and he has been around on other sites, so it's not real life getting to him.) One one comment this whole time that is remotely un-safe, when he rebukes Darth Caesar's premature accusation of Takhisis. This, people, is someone who is trying to fly under our radar, not that we have radar right at the moment. (Meta again -- and JHT has previously established success at such a tactic at CFC, such as when he won the Star Wars Mafia game with similar behavior.)

So. JHT makes me itchier than Takhisis, I think.

 

[Renata]

(Not a single serious accusation vote, that is.)

 

[Renata]

Askthepirateguy says toss him in the brig.

Askthepizzaguy is conveniently ignoring what I have stated, over and over again, which is that nailing him to the deck with his own tools will provide the exact same sort of information that would be provided by placing him in the brig, PLUS will get some needed work done. If he is working, he (probably) cannot be killing or blowing things up. Same as the brig.

PLUS, we can put another suspect in the brig, for additional information or additional incentive for the bad guys here to sit on their hands for the sake of a frame job.

You are just being far to stubborn on this point, Pizza. Whether you intend to or not, you are providing cover for the saboteurs to lock up and neutralize someone who is in a position where he must counter their efforts at destruction, or die. You are irritated because you are not getting the response you want from Nictel; this is, a confession. Has it even occurred to you that you may be wrong?

If Nictel winds up in the brig, I urge people to look very closely at those voting for him today. I do not think I can be any clearer on this.

 

[God Emperor]

Renata is correct with this point. letting Nictel work with the deck is the best option available

 

[BSmith1068]

I also agree with Renata – making sure Nictel does his repair is the best of both worlds, we get to keep an eye on him while at the same time getting a much needed repair done and a look at another suspect.

For now Nictel is effectively contained, so even if he is a saboteur or a rogue, he will be kept busy for now. We can always revisit when he is no longer as useful to us.

This brings me to the next point. Given the time constraints here (about an hour left) we need to act quickly and act together. If not Nictel, who should we send to the Brig? Here are the vote counts by my tally (please correct me if I am wrong!):

6 - Nictel
3 - Duke Blackstone
2 - Frozen in Ice
1 - Sprig
1 - choxorn
1 - God Emperor
1 - robbiecon
1 – johnhughthom

Duke or Frozen would be good candidates for a brig stay, although I am not necessarily convinced of the need to send either of them at this time. If we are to change our direction on Nictel, we may need to pick one of them anyway, since we lack the time to organize against someone else. I am quite willing to change my current vote from Duke however, if we have a good case against someone else.

 

[Renata]

Kill Johnhughthom, for great justice.

 

[Autolycus]

I'll let God Emperor go for the moment, let's send Duke Blackstone to the brig, there are some questions I have about him. It is true that if we send him there, he won't be able to make a promotion, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make so Nictel can do repairs.

 

[Renata]

I'm not. I hate this all so verra verra much.

 

[God Emperor]

we are better off removing JHT than tossing Nictel to his death.. although putting a person in the brig would be preferable

 

[classical_hero]

Do not send m Duke to the brig, or Nictel, so I will want to put JHT into the brig instead.

 

[Takhisis]

And we lose our nerve over the simplest things. We allow ourselves to be reasoned away from aggressive courses of action, because there's always some perfectly legitimate sounding reason why we shouldn't attack, we should wait, we should reconsider, we shouldn't bother to think, we should pick randomly and hope it works.

I thought you were all for delay? Now you're up for aggression, recruit?

Snipped the rest for brevity's sake. Why not force Nictel to repair stuff then? (edit: many people posted while answering, point still stands)

I'm suspicious of you because you're talking a lot, but you ain't really saying much. And you're often just kind of randomly spreading suspicion. Let's see this very comment of yours I saved on my trusty video recorder, hmm?

Still riffing on a casting of suspicion on Seon that was nonsensical in the first place (how many NOTW games have you played, Takhisis? You know quite well the GMs of these games don't give away clues in the writeups. And now you just don't let it drop -- still hoping it will worm its way into someone's mind? Or trying to brush the lousy accusation off as just a joke all along?)

The dreaded trailing-off-voice (ellipses) of insinuation, with no backup and no intention of backup. You're doing this sort of thing over and over, stirring the pot without commitment.

Plus, you were flaky as all get out when we had a chat. Takhisis, hon, you're making my fingers itch. And not in a good way.

If by 'flaky' you mean 'I won't tell you the entire contents of my Role PM if I don't know that I can trust you' then yes I'm flaky.

As for backing up my comments… I. CAN'T. VOTE. Get it into your head… sir.

Kill Johnhughthom, for great justice.

All your comments are belong to us?

You've got yourself a counter-bandwagon, Renata. Congrats!

 

[BSmith1068]

Very well. Let’s try this. Johnhughthom to the brig.

 

[God Emperor]

unless one of you wanted Nictel killed before, it should be 5 votes on JHT and 6 votes on Nictel atm

 

[Autolycus]

Looks like jht is a viable candidate, Duke Blackstone, promote away. johnhughthom, to the brig with you!

 

[BSmith1068]

Votes by my count:

5 - Nictel
4 - johnhughthom
3 - Duke Blackstone
2 - Frozen in Ice
1 - Sprig
1 - choxorn
1 - robbiecon

EDIT: Did not include Auto's vote above