Why? (on both counts)
I don't knouw, Herr Doktor. I vould point at peeple viz funny akzents.
That's insubordination, talking of higher-ranked officers like that.
The same person who wanted to pile on Niklas who was unable to answer
NOTW XXXIX: Impending Retribution Game Thread
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Duke Blackstone
John Marchman
Gentlemen, I also have an assault rifle. Mine gives +1 to all my votes. If he wants to give it to someone trustworthy to check that he can.
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for now Landlubber should have the inventory sheet. There is a great likelyhood that he is innocent.
Are those counted as secret votes? If so, we'd have at least 3 of those rifles going around IIRC.
Duke Blackstone
John Marchman
It does. I believe the pistol voted on in turn one will as well, and then the third could be his?
Zack
99% hot gas
Why is it suspicious for someone in the military to have a weapon? 
Frozen In Ice
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Yes I do have an assault rifle that gives one secret vote. However, I will not publically reveal who I got it from in the interest of protecting their identity. If he or she feels like speaking up and saying that gave me the rifle then they can, but otherwise I won't divulge their identity. There are a few people I trust that I have told privately however.
Why is it suspicious for someone in the military to have a weapon?
It's not.
It's when the weapon in question has been stolen from the armoury, and its holder won't explain where he got it that it becomes suspicious.
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Hmm, well in this case I will consider revealing their name after I have a few private chats.
Duke Blackstone
John Marchman
That would be mine I believe. Its in my roll PM, I took it when things started to get nasty aboard ship.
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Well then, that solves that, and this was all just a false alarm.
Askthepizzaguy
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I don't want Nictel executed just yet, so I am standing by to remove my vote if necessary.
Askthepizzaguy
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Also, I will take any promotion that is vacant, after other people have been considered. It's silly to leave any slots open, and I am a recruit with no rank ability.
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I think that as long as his actions are accounted for, Nictel is not an immediate threat, or at least not enough of one to warrant losing his help for tonight. Therefore, I believe Duke Blackstone should spend a night in the brig, as he is the next highest vote getter.
Well then, that solves that, and this was all just a false alarm.
My understanding is that three Assault Rifles were stolen from the Armoury.
Sprig
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in which case it wouldn't take a scholar to work out who has them or at the very least narrow it down.
Indeed. That is, unless people are passing them to one another.
Kennigit
proud 2 boxer
This actually seems reasonable. Renata the sheet.
Over/Under is 4 so I'll go ahead and vote robbiecon then. I don't know if we should be wasting time voting Duke Blackstone (whom it seems quite a few people are vouching for him) just to ensure Nictel is sent to the brig rather than killed.
edit: Nictel being not all that clear of his name to me, but Renata already has said Nictel is ready to do a repair job. What good is it to lock him up? He was either gonna repair something and be accounted for or he can die in a lynch. Brig just takes away a repair job and denies any possibility of gaining info (in the hopes that Nictel is a rogue or saboteur for us to lynch)
Askthepizzaguy
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Kennigit, et al:
I already spoke to Nictel today, and I was deadly serious when I spoke to him. I'm not playing around here.
What I told him was that we need to know if we can trust our repair crews and medical experts, as it is highly likely that a saboteur and a rogue are placed in such positions, that's why they are both useful AND redundant.... useful to keep the ship alive and afloat, redundant because that means we don't know who to trust.
The brig is a powerful investigatory tool. It prevents acts of sabotage and murder in those we place in the brig. The brig, unlike execution, isn't permanent. While in the brig, persons are safe and can even be looked at more closely by some.
I need to know if we can trust Nictel. The drop in murder attempts while he was in the brig is too much for me to ignore, especially while almost all of us are still alive, and we need to know if we can really trust the repair crews.
We can't afford to let murderers run around masquerading as the help, and that's exactly where they're going to be hiding, I'd wager.
Furthermore, I don't like the idea of tossing some random person in the brig just to spare Nictel. That's not a rational way for a group of intelligent people to conduct an investigation. The same argument used to not brig Nictel can be used for others, and they are less likely to be a murderer than someone we're supposed to trust and leave around.
Does anyone here think that our saboteurs and murderers are sitting around with useless skills and worthless talents that are easily expendable? So that anytime we wish to execute or brig someone, they merely state their talent and we go "oh, well we need that guy, therefore we can afford to leave him alive. Let's kill/imprison someone less valuable, herp derp!" How long do you think such reasoning is going to keep us alive and the ship afloat?
The same reasoning has been used to keep murderous scum alive in similar situations, I've seen it a dozen times. We can't bring this guy in, we need him to protect us from evil! Oh, really, well if he's such a valuable person critical to our survival, why isn't he dead yet? Why hasn't he done such a bang up job protecting us from evil? If the evil murderers out there need to get the job done, why would they continually risk misfiring, and proving two people innocent at once, when they could just kill the person who can protect us from evil? It's either a really ballsy gambit, or this person is the droids we're looking for. Now let me ask mister hero some questions. What's that? Mister hero doesn't want to answer my questions? Mister hero thinks I am guilty now? Didn't see that coming. Destroy him! What? He was guilty? Didn't see that coming either.
And we lose our nerve over the simplest things. We allow ourselves to be reasoned away from aggressive courses of action, because there's always some perfectly legitimate sounding reason why we shouldn't attack, we should wait, we should reconsider, we shouldn't bother to think, we should pick randomly and hope it works.
Well, with all due respect to my superiors, which includes basically all of you, but I didn't sign up to the Navy to play dice with people's lives. I signed up because I thought I could put an intelligent brain to good use. And yes, it's risky, and takes up the valuable time of someone who could be repairing, that's true. But you know what else? I think he's hiding something, and I won't rest until I find out.
That's where I stand on this suspect, and any suspect. No one should be able to shrug off suspicion because of a claimed power. OF COURSE Nictel could go off and repair something to show how useful he is, and then we will move to another suspect, and be thankful he's there, repairing the ship for us. Of course, if he is a rogue or a saboteur, we can then also look to this moment as the moment of our defeat, where we let him go simply because he claimed the very power he was supposed to claim whenever trouble comes knocking. A get out of brig free card.
I say no. It's not the strongest lead in the world, but I want to eliminate Nictel as a suspect, because there seemed to be fewer murders when he was in the brig, and his behavior smells wrong to me, and if I were a murderous murderer, I'd make sure I could repair something so people wouldn't want to bring me to justice, and I could deny the saboteurs their prize at the same time.
Do as you will, but I favor reasoned process of elimination, starting with people we have reason to suspect, and moving down the line to the next most likely suspect. And if you're worried about the ship falling apart in the meantime, I understand. I sympathize. But we cannot let fear paralyze our attempts to extricate ourselves, because then we will be in the same bad position tomorrow, or worse.... with an even more damaged ship, fewer living allies, and no further leads.
Askthepirateguy says toss him in the brig.
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