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American or not, I think you should all please take the time to read all of the information I've provided. Quite a few links; scroll down.
Paper Backups Sought for Voting Machines
Thu Apr 1, 4:08 PM ET
By ROBERT TANNER, AP National Writer
An effort to erase doubts about new ATM-style voting machines by backing up digital votes with paper records is gaining ground nationwide, as state officials heed warnings about security and potentially messy recounts.
Four states are demanding printers that will generate paper receipts voters can see and verify, and more than a dozen other states are weighing the change. But only one Nevada expects to have a paper trail in place by the fall elections.
"People are just realizing exactly what we've bought into in some states," said Maryland state Sen. Andrew Harris, a Republican. "The stakes are so high. I don't put it above someone trying to manipulate elections on a grand scale."
Harris wants to fix what many in the computer science world and elsewhere see as a dangerous flaw in the touchscreen machines that will be used in up to 34 states this November.
Their worry? That voters will make one choice, and the machine through a coding error or a hacker's manipulation will record it as another. With no one the wiser, election outcomes could be changed.
Many election administrators and voting machine industry representatives say that such fears are misguided, and ignore the rigorous tests and trial runs from manufacture to Election Day that protect the vote.
Despite the fact that a website I saw somewhere showed how a man who got a copy of the program showed step-by-step! how to hack it. Diebold machines use double-entry [ie, the info is stored in two ledgers] which is of no practical use, unless you want to mess with the info.
But the doubters are winning support. Harris has proposed that the 16,000 new touchscreen machines that all Maryland voters will use this year be outfitted with a paper ballot printed after a person makes a choice. The voters would then get to see and verify their selection, and the ballot would be secured in case of a recount.
The idea, known as a verified voter paper trail,
In other words, a printout. Not high tech stuff here folks.
has been proposed in at least 16 other states as lawmakers have begun responding to months of complaints, letters of protests and security studies that found serious flaws in the ATM-style equipment.
Secretaries of state in California, Missouri and Nevada have gone further and ordered changes. And Illinois passed a law last year requiring a paper trail. Only Nevada, however, will be ready for the fall elections.
"The issue is all about accountability," said Dean Heller, Nevada's GOP secretary of state. "These votes are out there in cyberspace somewhere, and nobody can prove that they exist. The paper trail does."
Because of the state's size, California's change will have the biggest impact, though Democratic Secretary of State Kevin Shelley has given counties until 2006 to add paper ballots.
Florida election officials ruled earlier this year that new touchscreen machines put into place after the 2000 election crisis are exempt from a law that requires manual recounts in close elections because there is no way to determine voter's intentions from the computer record.
Decisions like that scare some election advocates, sparking their push for a paper trail. (The decision also added fuel to a Florida lawsuit seeking a federal court to order the paper records. No decision has yet been reached).
Stanford University computer scientist David Dill, who runs the Web site VerifiedVoting.org, has collected endorsements from more than 7,000 people for an online petition calling for voting paper trails.
He remains hopeful that the federal government will act, though Congress has gone nearly a year without holding a hearing on several Democrat-authored measures to require a paper trail.
And there is widespread opposition to paper receipts, from election administrators, some computer scientists and even the League of Women Voters.
"It's sending the wrong message to people," said Kay Maxwell, president of the league, a nonpartisan civic organization. "That if you only do this, it settles all the problems. That's not being fair to people, it's not being truthful to people."
The league's argument is that the entire voting system needs funding and attention voter education, poll worker training, state registration systems. Many of those issues were targeted by the federal Help America Vote Act that has yet to deliver more than a fraction of the $3.9 billion promised to the states.
The group opposes the push for paper trails for electronic voting machines because they say it will not provide the blind, disabled and non-English speakers the same access as other voters.
And election administrators shake their heads about the additional demands a paper trail would create: managing supplies of paper and ink, higher costs for buying and maintaining equipment, and longer lines on Election Day for people with questions, or who want to vote again after seeing their choices.
Again, not high tech stuff here people! The company that makes Diebold voting machines also makes typewriters, ATMs, etc. An ATM gives you a printout FREE. Yet Diebold told the government that it would cost about $1000 PER MACHINE to install a simple ticker tape printout device. See below, where the voting machine companies fix costs again...
In Missouri's St. Louis County, printers will add $12 million to the $25 million bill to replace punch cards with touchscreen machines, said Judy Taylor, elections director.
"It's making more of a problem," she said.
Yeah right.
Needless to say, as with everything that eventually trickles down to Joe American, the left-wing commentators have been tracking this one since the White House had new foliage installed - before, even.
For example, a leftie intercepted a Diebold email telling contractors in Maryland to "charge them out the ying-yang" if the state asked for a paper trail. Oh, and look, researchers at John Hopkins University uncovered fatal flaws in the voting software code [how hard can it be to code this crap anyway?] and have so far defended their ground pretty damned well.. Not to mention that Diebold has a foot-in-mouth syndrome that rivals the very best of the Shrub Administration. As usual, the Times [Who reads that leftist rag anyway?] had the story. So did Salon. So did Buzzflash. The guy who runs Diebold took a break from the difficult task of gouging American government for goods and services to, er, raise money for the Republicans. Wow, just like Enron!
That should be just about enough links for now, I think
Discuss.
American or not, I think you should all please take the time to read all of the information I've provided. Quite a few links; scroll down.
Paper Backups Sought for Voting Machines
Thu Apr 1, 4:08 PM ET
By ROBERT TANNER, AP National Writer
An effort to erase doubts about new ATM-style voting machines by backing up digital votes with paper records is gaining ground nationwide, as state officials heed warnings about security and potentially messy recounts.
Four states are demanding printers that will generate paper receipts voters can see and verify, and more than a dozen other states are weighing the change. But only one Nevada expects to have a paper trail in place by the fall elections.
"People are just realizing exactly what we've bought into in some states," said Maryland state Sen. Andrew Harris, a Republican. "The stakes are so high. I don't put it above someone trying to manipulate elections on a grand scale."
Harris wants to fix what many in the computer science world and elsewhere see as a dangerous flaw in the touchscreen machines that will be used in up to 34 states this November.
Their worry? That voters will make one choice, and the machine through a coding error or a hacker's manipulation will record it as another. With no one the wiser, election outcomes could be changed.
Many election administrators and voting machine industry representatives say that such fears are misguided, and ignore the rigorous tests and trial runs from manufacture to Election Day that protect the vote.
Despite the fact that a website I saw somewhere showed how a man who got a copy of the program showed step-by-step! how to hack it. Diebold machines use double-entry [ie, the info is stored in two ledgers] which is of no practical use, unless you want to mess with the info.
But the doubters are winning support. Harris has proposed that the 16,000 new touchscreen machines that all Maryland voters will use this year be outfitted with a paper ballot printed after a person makes a choice. The voters would then get to see and verify their selection, and the ballot would be secured in case of a recount.
The idea, known as a verified voter paper trail,
In other words, a printout. Not high tech stuff here folks.
has been proposed in at least 16 other states as lawmakers have begun responding to months of complaints, letters of protests and security studies that found serious flaws in the ATM-style equipment.
Secretaries of state in California, Missouri and Nevada have gone further and ordered changes. And Illinois passed a law last year requiring a paper trail. Only Nevada, however, will be ready for the fall elections.
"The issue is all about accountability," said Dean Heller, Nevada's GOP secretary of state. "These votes are out there in cyberspace somewhere, and nobody can prove that they exist. The paper trail does."
Because of the state's size, California's change will have the biggest impact, though Democratic Secretary of State Kevin Shelley has given counties until 2006 to add paper ballots.
Florida election officials ruled earlier this year that new touchscreen machines put into place after the 2000 election crisis are exempt from a law that requires manual recounts in close elections because there is no way to determine voter's intentions from the computer record.
Decisions like that scare some election advocates, sparking their push for a paper trail. (The decision also added fuel to a Florida lawsuit seeking a federal court to order the paper records. No decision has yet been reached).
Stanford University computer scientist David Dill, who runs the Web site VerifiedVoting.org, has collected endorsements from more than 7,000 people for an online petition calling for voting paper trails.
He remains hopeful that the federal government will act, though Congress has gone nearly a year without holding a hearing on several Democrat-authored measures to require a paper trail.
And there is widespread opposition to paper receipts, from election administrators, some computer scientists and even the League of Women Voters.
"It's sending the wrong message to people," said Kay Maxwell, president of the league, a nonpartisan civic organization. "That if you only do this, it settles all the problems. That's not being fair to people, it's not being truthful to people."
The league's argument is that the entire voting system needs funding and attention voter education, poll worker training, state registration systems. Many of those issues were targeted by the federal Help America Vote Act that has yet to deliver more than a fraction of the $3.9 billion promised to the states.
The group opposes the push for paper trails for electronic voting machines because they say it will not provide the blind, disabled and non-English speakers the same access as other voters.
And election administrators shake their heads about the additional demands a paper trail would create: managing supplies of paper and ink, higher costs for buying and maintaining equipment, and longer lines on Election Day for people with questions, or who want to vote again after seeing their choices.
Again, not high tech stuff here people! The company that makes Diebold voting machines also makes typewriters, ATMs, etc. An ATM gives you a printout FREE. Yet Diebold told the government that it would cost about $1000 PER MACHINE to install a simple ticker tape printout device. See below, where the voting machine companies fix costs again...
In Missouri's St. Louis County, printers will add $12 million to the $25 million bill to replace punch cards with touchscreen machines, said Judy Taylor, elections director.
"It's making more of a problem," she said.
Yeah right.
Needless to say, as with everything that eventually trickles down to Joe American, the left-wing commentators have been tracking this one since the White House had new foliage installed - before, even.
For example, a leftie intercepted a Diebold email telling contractors in Maryland to "charge them out the ying-yang" if the state asked for a paper trail. Oh, and look, researchers at John Hopkins University uncovered fatal flaws in the voting software code [how hard can it be to code this crap anyway?] and have so far defended their ground pretty damned well.. Not to mention that Diebold has a foot-in-mouth syndrome that rivals the very best of the Shrub Administration. As usual, the Times [Who reads that leftist rag anyway?] had the story. So did Salon. So did Buzzflash. The guy who runs Diebold took a break from the difficult task of gouging American government for goods and services to, er, raise money for the Republicans. Wow, just like Enron!
That should be just about enough links for now, I think
Discuss.
