Officer Dragged And Threw A Student Across The Floor

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Fox's Mark Fuhrman Defends The Actions Of School Officer Who Dragged And Threw A Student Across The Floor
Video ››› October 27, 2015 11:01 PM EDT ››› MEDIA MATTERS STAFF

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MARK FUHRMAN: I'll tell you why it's not excessive. He verbalized, he made contact, he verbalized, he was polite. He requested her. He verbally did that. The next level is he put a hand on her. She escalated it from there. He used soft control. He threw her on the ground, he handcuffed her. He didn't use mace. He didn't use a Taser. He didn't use a stick. He didn't kick her. He didn't hit her. He didn't choke her. He used a minimal amount of force necessary to effect an arrest.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/10/2 ... ool/206465

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CHRIS CUOMO: Give me the best defense for what this guy is doing, in these circumstances.

HARRY HOUCK: OK, first of all let me tell you, there's a police officer in that school for a reason. A lot of violent gang activity in that school. Now, this officer's called to the classroom because this student will not leave the classroom. Apparently the teacher had some kind of a problem. Now, a teacher is supposedly trained on how to handle children like this, calls the police, for the officer to come in. The officer tells her twice to get out of the chair. She won't get out of the car - out of the chair, all right? Therefore, we have this altercation, which she does not get really hurt in. The officer pulls her out, handcuffs her, all right, and that's it. Can the officer do that? Yes, he can do that.

CUOMO: Why?

HOUCK: Because you failed to comply, you are under arrest, you are failing to comply now. So the officer can use whatever force is necessary to affect an arrest. Now, it looks really bad. Like a lot of videos we've sat here and talked about before in the past, how bad the video looks. She did not get hurt, all right. So apparently the officer did it in a way where she could not get hurt. It just looks bad in the video.

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HARRY HOUCK: Here's the problem. This is a failure to comply again. Like in all these cases here, people don't listen to the police when they're giving them a command. You must comply. And then Marc's -- Marc's giving people the impression that you don't have to comply to police officers. And that's why we're having a lot of incidents. You're giving that impression, Marc, every time I speak to you. You always have a problem, you know, talking about an officer's use of force. And I'm telling you, it's as a result of a failure to comply. If that girl got out of the car -- got out of the seat when she was told, there'd be no problem. But apparently she had no respect for the school, no respect for her teacher, probably has no respect at home or on the street, and that's why she acted the way she did.

I agree with Harry Houck and Fuhrman.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Er, is this the video?


Link to video.


And is that the O.J. Simpson case Mark Fuhrman?

 

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And is that the O.J. Simpson case Mark Fuhrman?

Yes he is.

 

[Zkribbler]

Ya gotta love Fox. Fuhrman getting caught committing perjury about never using the n-word played right into the defense theory that the police were lying and fabricating evidence. He's probably the greatest single factor in OJ getting acquitted.

Fuhrman was no better than a mediocre police officer with a history of abusing minority, and so Fox hires this racist as their police "expert."

I loved Fox's coverage of the Ferguson grand jury testimony, when Sean Hannity is pointing out inaccuracies in some of the witnesses' testimony and is screaming "Perjury! Perjury! Perjury!" while right beside him sits the most infamous perjurer in U.S. history.

 

[Kyriakos]

That person commenting how right the police officer was seemed to have a bit of a problem remembering this was about leaving a chair and not a car.

And his comments are horrible. "It just looks bad in the video". Yeah. In reality the teen was not facing anything bad, it just looked that way due to tv magic.

 

[Zkribbler]

" He verbalized, he made contact, he verbalized, he was polite. He requested her. He verbally did that."

Funny, I didn't hear him say a thing.

"She escalated it from there."

She held onto her chair. Other than that, how did she "escalate it?"

 

[useless]

Clearly the cop was in fear of his life

 

[Daw]

Makes me wonder if people working in schools undergo any pre-training in developmental psychology at all. In any part of the world.

 

[useless]

Not sure if true but interesting

makes u tihnk

 

[Daw]

So it's about a person, not about the system, eh?

 

[useless]

Well the system enables said person to think he can do these things

 

[Daw]

Not necessarily. Crazy people tend to be self-enabling to think whatever crazy things they think regardless to whatever systems there are out there. And this particular officer has apparently gone bananas making him clearly careless of any system in the world other than that between his ears, and that happened to be a pretty twisted one.

edit: That said, it does not make the student or the military vet or anyone else having to face a crackpot officer any luckier, of course. Same goes to any people suffering from any maniac's actions.

 

[warpus]

When I first saw the video I said something like "entitled princess student + power hungry ahole cop = bs all around" ...

but after having watched it in more detail, it seems like there would have been plenty of non-crazy ways of arresting this student. No need to throw her on the ground like that. Having analyzed the video properly it now seems to me that nothing the student could have done before the camera started rolling would have justified such a response - short of her pulling out a gun or weapon.

But isn't there a thread for this already?

 

[Yeekim]

If you agree that detaining the student was justified, the next question becomes "was she injured/hit/choked?".

The answer apparently being "no", where exactly is the problem?

 

[useless]

Even if she wasn't severely injured, this would still be an example of police brutality.

 

[Daw]

- "was she injured/hit/choked?"
- "no"
where exactly is the problem?

- ".../humiliated?"
- "looks like yes."

There.

Detainment justification is a completely different question.

 

[warpus]

If you agree that detaining the student was justified, the next question becomes "was she injured/hit/choked?".

The answer apparently being "no", where exactly is the problem?

She was picked up and thrown on the ground like a ragdoll, not a human being. The cop didn't have to do that in order to make the arrest, he came across as someone who doesn't have a lot of time and wants to get done with this as fast as possible, instead of taking the time to make sure he doesn't unnecessarily hurt her.

 

[Formaldehyde]

This incident is already being discussed in great detail in another thread.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=550915&page=15

If you agree that detaining the student was justified, the next question becomes "was she injured/hit/choked?".

The answer apparently being "no", where exactly is the problem?

"The problem" is in the attitude that this sort of clearly reprehensible behavior is in any way acceptable.

 

[BenitoChavez]

If you agree that detaining the student was justified, the next question becomes "was she injured/hit/choked?".

The answer apparently being "no", where exactly is the problem?

The cop used more than the minimum necessary force to make the arrest. Flipping the girl over and throwing her across the floor is excessive.

 

[Formaldehyde]

In the other thread, Yeekim claimed this sort of behavior was even done by teachers, apparently in Estonia. That there is nothing wrong at all with dragging a disruptive student out of a class.

Of course, I disagreed.