One for the 'hope and change' crowd....

[Dachs]

But who would vote for you?

That sounds like "my point".

 

[Zarn]

According to the BBC, conditions are worse there not better.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7903005.stm

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

I hoped for change.

 

[Godwynn]

I changed for hope.

 

[Azale]

Oh yea, it's February and the sky is officially falling.

Oh noooo

 

[civ_king]

Any person in an armed conflict who could be properly detained under the laws and customs of war. Also called EC. hmm yes most fall under that category

 

[Dachs]

Any person in an armed conflict who could be properly detained under the laws and customs of war. Also called EC. hmm yes most fall under that category

I have no idea what the persecution and organ-harvesting of Falun Gong members has to do with what you just posted.

 

[.Shane.]

Woah, we're still discussing Ron Paul, three months after the election?

Sweet Jesus.

lol, can we discuss Aaron Burr next?

 

[Formaldehyde]

You only believe your God - Ron Paul.

He doesn't have solutions for America. His type of hatred as evidenced in the Ron Paul Political Reports is not what America needs.

Unlike you, Dr. Ron Paul doesn't hate anybody. After all, he is an obstretician who has delivered over 3000 babies.

And he has now been found to have been largely correct about the current economic perils that face us all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZwPkTmqfpg

But getting back to the subject at hand, I'm also disappointed in this decision. I find it rather inconceivable that Obama would consider the policies of GWB to be completely reasonable in this particular case. Granted, it is an area with ongoing hostilities. But if the BBC report is to be believed, along with other reliable sources, many of the people incarcerated there are nothing more than political prisoners, and are as likely to be completely innocent of any wrongdoing as were the majority of Gitmo detainees.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,604052,00.html

The case of taxi driver Dilawar, allegedly a courier for al-Qaida, is described in detail in the impressive documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side." The filmmakers spoke with the US soldiers and the prisoners involved and showed terrible images of the interrogation room -- with hooks on the wall from which prisoners could be hung up and tortured. A few soldiers were punished after the case came to light but their commander was not reprimanded.

At the beginning of the war the prison in Bagram was a kind of transit station -- a "screening point" in military jargon. Any suspects detained in Afghanistan were flown there and most quickly ended up on another plane to Guantanamo. That changed in the autumn of 2004 when the US government decided not to send any more prisoners to the Cuban base. Since then the number of those held in Bagram has risen steadily.

The camp was also an important station in the CIA's "extraordinary renditions" program. All the important masterminds behind the Sept. 11 attacks were funnelled through Bagram after their arrests. Other suspects were briefly held at the camp on the way to secret CIA prisons elsewhere. When the CIA arrested suspected terrorists in Somalia in 2007, for example, they were brought to the secure base in Afghanistan first.

German diplomats got a brief look at the camp last year. After the US army detained an Afghan-born German citizen in January 2008 and held him for months before establishing his innocence, the German deputy ambassador went to the base to pick him up.

The former prisoner spoke of beatings, solitary confinement and threats from the military personnel. He is still undergoing psychological treatment. The German diplomat's report about his visit to Bagram provides only a small glimpse of the camp -- but it is reminiscent of the early days in Guantanamo. The German-Afghan man was led out in an orange jumpsuit, his hands and feet were fettered in steel chains, his eyes were covered by a black ski mask. It was only possible to speak with the prisoner in a small wooden box while heavily armed soldiers never left his side.

It sounds like Gitmo East to me...

Taxi To The Dark Side Trailer

Different Trailer Followed by Democracy Now Discussion

 

[Zarn]

OP/Mobby: Could you please put the BBC link in the first post, as well?

BBC Article: 'No US rights' for Bagram inmates

Many people would not believe Fox, if Fox stated that water's formula is H2O.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Gee, I wonder why?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Proverb

And you just posted that URL above...

 

[Zarn]

I did, so Mobby would know the link to wish I was referring.

 

[holy king]

I changed for hope.

in soviet russia change hopes you!

 

[Bast]

Unlike you, Dr. Ron Paul doesn't hate anybody.

How do I hate anyone? You're clearly wrong, yet again.

Ron Paul '90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays



Don't you hate being wrong all the time?

 

[holy king]

dammit, i somehow agree with bast,

 

[Zarn]

dammit, i somehow agree with bast,

Creepy?

I'm having the same problem.

I'm a libertarian, and I do not like Paul.

 

[Bast]

After all, he is an obstretician who has delivered over 3000 babies.

Right, so because he's delivered over 3000 babies he cannot hate anybody. Terrific logic there.

No more student visas from terrorist nations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4

Should've known you're a Ron Paul fan. What a fake, what a joke.

 

[Neomega]

How do I hate anyone? You're clearly wrong, yet again.

Ron Paul '90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays



Don't you hate being wrong all the time?

Wow, a year old article. Didn't we go over this a year ago?
And.. um, is this on topic?

 

[Godwynn]

lol, can we discuss Aaron Burr next?

Look what he did to Alexander Hamilton, what a bastard.

No one should like him for it.

Aaron Burr rEVOLution.

 

[Formaldehyde]

How do I hate anyone? You're clearly wrong, yet again.

That's old news. Only a deluded reactionary like you would be fooled by an obvious Swift Boat attack as simple as this.

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS233377+08-Jan-2008+BW20080108

ARLINGTON, Va.--(Business Wire)--In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

"The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do
not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never
uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

"In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that
we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character,
not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S.
House on April 20, 1999: 'I rise in great respect for the courage and
high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of
individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.'

"This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade.
It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the
day of the New Hampshire primary.

"When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a
newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several
writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have
publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention
to what went out under my name."

Anybody who has actually taken the time to listen to what he has to say obviously knows these allegations are completely untrue, yet he is still a big enough of a man to accept moral responsibility for it, even though he clearly had nothing to do with it.

Don't you hate being wrong all the time?

I suggest you look in the mirror to see the best candidate for that particular honor.