One idea for more troops in Iraq.

No, it's to give every peaceful option a try before starting a war.
Note that it's not only France's foreign policy, it surely hasn't invented it, and it's shared by a lot of other nations.
Note also that what's happening since 2003 hasn't contradict this policy.
Listen to me and hopefully you will not think that i am going into a typical French bashing but i have to say that what differentiate France and United States of today's foreign policy is one of victory and defeat.

How do i come up with this is simply implying that after the crisis of Europe in WWII is one that United States took the mantel of providing peace to the world and the answer to what is civilization is meant to be.France's beginnings rest on the very fact on how to salvage what they can do for the world under the shadow of United States.
 
Today, I don't see any victory. But I see a defeat.
It is neither.

The only way to entail defeat is that United States domestically allows itself to be persuade by pressure groups on the influence of leaving Iraq to a pack of wolves(ie.,its neighbors).We control our own destiny not some insubordinate nation-state as such the likes of France.

It is not a win or lose situation but one that who have the most fortitude.I am sure that if my country rest on the shoulders of people who maintains the idea of staying for about 40 or many years from now will surely say that it is worth the noble effort of rebuilding this great country that have the potential to provide its own unique answer of what is civilization is.
 
The only way to entail defeat is that United States domestically allows itself to be persuade by pressure groups on the influence of leaving Iraq to a pack of wolves(ie.,its neighbors).We control our own destiny not some insubordinate nation-state as such the likes of France.

Starting the war was defeat.
 
"insubordinate" implies France operates under the authority of the US. This is not the case and is probably offensive language to the french.
Not offensive, just amusing, especially when we are accused of dellusion of grandeur.
 
I thought this idea from the "BAKER" report is fo a short term increase of troops for say 2 years then another 10 years at reduced numbers.

The US military are bulking at this idea though. With warning of a Broken force which would require decade(s) to restore
 
One question.
I don't know the number of active US personnal available. Let say 1,000,000
You start with 200k in Iraq. Everyyear you send more 100k, and it's just added, not rotate.
In 8 years, you have your whole 1,000k in Iraq.

What happens if the country is still not pacified? What happens if North Korea invade hollywood while your whole army is stuck in Iraq?
 
Got link? (Not questioning it, just that I haven't seen such and would be very interested in seeing their position clarified.)
Here's a few. They aren't hard to find. Course, it's also not surprising. Did the military brass ever get on board with withdrawing from Vietnam?
But if you stop-loss the entire Iraqi theater, there will only be well-publicized grumbling from the military folks - along with outraged screaming from the home front, and recruiters attempting to sign up homeless bums because no one else will answer their phonecalls.
I'm sure that Keane is aware of that. But I imagine he's thinking that if we stop-loss the Iraqi theater, we could actually make progress, which is something that we haven't been doing lately. Going back to WWII...America has been shown to be capable of tremendous sacrifice...if we see results. But if we don't...and we haven't in Iraq for some time, then our patience wears thin.

Sure, there would be grumbling, but if at the end of 6 months, Baghdad was secure and we were moving in on Ramadi while holding our commitment to Baghdad steady...don't you think people might warm to the idea?
 
Going back to WWII...America has been shown to be capable of tremendous sacrifice...if we see results.
And if we see a cause worth sacrificing for. Sacrificing significant blood and treasure so that Muslims can have a Democracy isn't a cause that inspires tremendous sacrifice.
 
Not offensive, just amusing, especially when we are accused of dellusion of grandeur.
Glad that it was amusing for you.:rolleyes:

I am not saying that literally that France is insubordinate to United States,i am only saying that France proposal to the world is limited to my country hegemonic influences in the world.

I always think that not the politicians and business leaders of France that are delusional but only the ordinary citizens of France(that means you) that are being lied to with false promises and hype criticism of USA foreign policies.
 
Glad that it was amusing for you.:rolleyes:

I am not saying that literally that France is insubordinate to United States,i am only saying that France proposal to the world is limited to my country hegemonic influences in the world.

I always think that not the politicians and business leaders of France that are delusional but only the ordinary citizens of France(that means you) that are being lied to with false promises and hype criticism of USA foreign policies.
That's because as an American you see only the French actions related to USA. But I'll tell you a secret: French politicians spend only 0.1% of their time on topics relative to the US, and are busy with many other things.
 
That's because as an American you see only the French actions related to USA. But I'll tell you a secret: French politicians spend only 0.1% of their time on topics relative to the US, and are busy with many other things.
True and can i say that ordinary French citizens(worker bees)spend 0.99% of their time on topics arguing in favor of anti-American foriegn policies narratives?:D

When or where can i find a Frenchie that actually admires United States of what they do in the international scheme of things?Like a connosieur of statecraft.
 
True and can i say that ordinary French citizens(worker bees)spend 0.99% of their time on topics arguing in favor of anti-American foriegn policies narratives?:D
No you can't, French citizens are not that much interested by the US. We are more concerned by internal French politics at the moment, or job.

When or where can i find a Frenchie that actually admires United States of what they do in the international scheme of things?Like a connosieur of statecraft.
Wait for Sarkozy to be elected next year, he likes you. But seriously, why should we admire what the US is doing on the international scheme?
 
No you can't, French citizens are not that much interested by the US. We are more concerned by internal French politics at the moment, or job.
Sure.:rolleyes: And the very fact that whenever the subject of United States is conjured up amongst Frenchies,they are entirely predictable of what is gonna come out of their mouth.


But seriously, why should we admire what the US is doing on the international scheme?
Hmm.....arrogant i might as be seems to be but shouldn't you guys be taking notes on how to foster and maintain peace in the world based on our actions?
 
Hmm.....arrogant i might as be seems to be but shouldn't you guys be taking notes on how to foster and maintain peace in the world based on our actions?
You mean to try to avoid the mistakes you made? :confused:

I see a country who's intentions are noble, I really do believe their sincerity, but the outcome is not a desirable one. Road to hell, paved with good intentions, you know? Do you think any country envies the position the US is in at the moment if you consider maintaining world peace?
 
Force the other members of NATO to honor the alliance.
Ummm....that might be difficult.
NATO as an organisation had no role in the decision to undertake the campaign nor in its conduct. In response to a request by Turkey in February 2003 for assistance under Article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty, the Alliance undertook a number of precautionary defensive measures to ensure Turkey's security in the event of a potential threat to its territory or population.
 
You mean to try to avoid the mistakes you made?
Depend on what you mean on what "mistake" is?

Road to hell, paved with good intentions, you know?
Go ahead with that metaphor of "road to hell" and tell me that the phrase is something of any good intention can be brought out.:rolleyes:

Do you think any country envies the position the US is in at the moment if you consider maintaining world peace?
I think that in a unique position that United States have in political,economical,culturally,militarilly and will to achieve its end,i say,yes.
 
Little Raven said:
Ummm....that might be difficult.

NATO as an organisation had no role in the decision to undertake the campaign nor in its conduct. In response to a request by Turkey in February 2003 for assistance under Article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty, the Alliance undertook a number of precautionary defensive measures to ensure Turkey's security in the event of a potential threat to its territory or population.
Scroll down please.
...they reflect the Alliance's commitment to the security of it member states and policy of making its assets and experience available wherever and whenever they are needed.

Help some and skip helping your biggest ally in the Cold War eh?
 
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