One of the New Civs is European

[Loaf Warden]

Armenia would have been another good one to see.

It's not inconceivable that it's in under the name "Urartu". Though I'd be very, very surprised by it.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Phoenicia is already ruled out by city states.

And the alphabet theory. I just want to make the Phoenicians the new Normans.

 

[fat_tonle]

Not a problem:

Spoiler :

Venice
Verona
Vicenza
Parenzo
Zara
Spalato
Durazzo
Chania
Patras
Candia
Negropontes
Aquilea
Pola
Nicosia
Brescia
Padua
Bergamo
Mystras
Limassil
Chioggia
Mira
Miranos
Castelnuovos
Eraclea
Modon
Famagusta
Lepantos
Antivari

Any overlaps with Rome/Byzantium? What about other civs not featured in the game? For you Italian history buffs???

 

[InsanelyApple]

I would like to point out something about "the remaining 2 civs have to be between P and Z" theory. AFAIK this wasn't mentioned yet.
We all know the Pueblo was among the 9 planned civs. Who says the order of the achievements wasn't made back then?

IMO it's very plausible that the civ replacing the Pueblo stayed on the 7th spot in the achievements even after the civ-change. They simply didn't rearrange the list.
This of couse means, that either of the last two civs can start with any letter of the alphabet!!

This is my favorite idea and makes me hopeful that we will see the Cherokee/Florence/Inuit/etc

 

[Menzies]

Again, I'm very curious as to which Civ would take Venice on their list if not Venice or Italy.

 

[Gucumatz]

Did anyone catch what type of city state Kabul was?

 

[cybrxkhan]

Could the Khazars be the new European civ? I could see them. Granted the Silk Road achievement should be connecting to them, but it doesn't have to - even though they were a part of it most people probably don't know about that and they were sort of on the fringes of it.

 

[vcutag]

This is my favorite idea and makes me hopeful that we will see the Cherokee/Florence/Inuit/etc

The Tlingit of Canada's Pacific Coast would fit the alphabet theory.

 

[Gucumatz]

No, once again because of the alphabet (Khazars)

 

[Menzies]

Did anyone catch what type of city state Kabul was?

Cultural. It now seems certain that they're changing the numbers of each type of city state. We have 2 new Militaristic (Sofia and Mbanza-Kongo), 2 new Cultural (Buenos Aires and Kabul) and a new Maritime (Ur). It seems like they're adding 2 to each of the original 3 types to make the ratios:

Militaristic: 8
Maritime: 12
Cultural: 12
Mercantile: 10
Religious: 6

For whatever reason. What's interesting though is that if you take that into account with replaced city state and check the fraction of expected new city states statistically to what we see, they match up pretty much dead on, so it seems right about on the money. Again, I don't know what they'd do that, but it seems they have.

 

[cybrxkhan]

No, once again because of the alphabet (Khazars)

Oh, right, silly me.

 

[Option]

The Khazars could be in as Tatarstan.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Any overlaps with Rome/Byzantium?

The only one that might be is Aquilea, I'd have to look.

 

[Menzies]

The Khazars could be in as Tatarstan.

Not European, not likely to have replaced the Pueblos.

 

[Option]

Not European, not likely to have replaced the Pueblos.

Well, the Tatars are pretty much at the outer edge. Depending on your definition of Europe, Kazakhstan has a bit still within Europe, and Tatarstan is as well.

Of course, I doubt it's going to be any of the Ural/Silk Road peoples, as sad as it is.

This is my favorite idea and makes me hopeful that we will see the Cherokee/Florence/Inuit/etc

Nothing contributing to the topic, but I love your HYDRA icon.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Note - Ragusa doesn't rule out Venice, since Ragusa was never directly under Venice's control. At a few points of its history it was sort of like a vassal to Venice, but more often it was actually a rival to Venice. Just like how Austria doesn't have Hungarian cities, England doesn't have southern French cities, and the Ottomans don't have Greek cities, I could see a Venetian civ without Ragusa.

 

[Pedro P]

Also it seems that Romenia is also out since it have a CS in the game.

That leaves even less options... It is basically Venice vs Sicily vs Ukraine vs some anciet civ that is already represented by one or more western European but may probably get in front of a Italian civ because the devs seem to hate people that settled on the italian region.

 

[Gucumatz]

Romania's city state has not been seen. It was a false observation done quickly and has since been corrected by Civ Fanatics, it appears the city state was actually Buenos Aires as we had seen previously the influence the turn before

 

[Hannibal XIII]

Romania. Because Vlad Dracula is well-known amongst Americans (comparatively to badasses like Enrico "Blind Sack of Constantinople" Dandolo", iconic, and Romania would be an intriguing Eastern European darkhorse. If they could pull out the frickin Huns, then I could see them pulling Romania (and I think they'd be better than Venice IMO).

Sioux for the other one.

I don't see Venice being in Civ 5, honestly. I'd be fine with it, but I think Dracula would be a pretty badass leader for a pretty cool civ. As for the Indians- I guess I'd be okay with the Sioux. Certainly not my first choice (Pueblo, Comanche, Apache or Cherokee all come to my mind), but also iconic in American minds.

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

If Romania is in the game I hope their leader is Vlad III and they have a unique tile improvement that demoralizes invading armies