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[Thedrin]

How is it seriously disturbed to think they'll be considering the amount of healthcare they provide Grandma now that she's over 78?

They wouldn't possibly make it as obvious as a panel making up or down decisions on whether a person lives or dies.

But Grandma won't see 80 if she needs major healthcare investment at 78; it just isn't cost effective.

I don't know why you're so cavalier about it all; you a 0.1%?

I'm really trying to wrap my head around the logic being employed here.

Under the old system in the US, grandma only gets the life saving treatment if she can pay for it. Under the new system in the US, grandma only gets the life saving treatment if she can pay for it or if the "death panel" decides to pay for it. Now, to me, this looks like:

P(grandma getting life saving care under new system) >= P(grandma getting life saving care under old system)

Yet since you are arguing that the new system is a bad thing as a result of grandma's imminent demise, what you are saying is:

P(grandma getting life saving care under new system) < P(grandma getting life saving care under old system)

What am I missing here?

 

[Mr. Dictator]

I'm really trying to wrap my head around the logic being employed here.

You can't because logic lost its job in the Obama recession.

 

[Thedrin]

If I hit my head hard enough against it, might that do the trick?

 

[Crezth]

You say that, yet plenty of them still come here to receive treatment, especially cutting edge treatment (read: expensive and or risky and or of low potential benefit),

This is like saying "How can there be poverty in America? Most of the richest people in the world live here!"

 

[Cutlass]

I don't think there is. But that means that neither employ actual death panels, and therefore the term death panel is damaging to the discussion of healthcare as a whole and should not be used by either side.

That's fair enough if the people who came up with it stop using it. I use it just for the purpose of pointing out that, no matter how bad these people think the situation will be, it's already worse than that.

 

[Dachs]

Dana Holgorsen is gonna revolutionize the game with his OPTIONS!

Wait, I'm confused. Is the joke that Holgorsen doesn't run option stuff almost at all and relies frequently on five-wide sets in the Air Raid?

sorry guys i dun know college football that well

 

[Antilogic]

I don't think there is. But that means that neither employ actual death panels, and therefore the term death panel is damaging to the discussion of healthcare as a whole and should not be used by either side.

That's fair enough if the people who came up with it stop using it. I use it just for the purpose of pointing out that, no matter how bad these people think the situation will be, it's already worse than that.

Yeah, but one side really wants to cling to this great phrase because it's swell propaganda to rile up the base. And no amount of fact-checking refutation seems to stop it.

This is like saying "How can there be poverty in America? Most of the richest people in the world live here!"

Well put.



Also, why the hating on the US Postal Service? Where else can you get a service for 45 cents and have it function exactly as advertised?

 

[Ajidica]

Also, why the hating on the US Postal Service? Where else can you get a service for 45 cents and have it function exactly as advertised?

I like the US Postal Service. When I was three they would give me free candy.

 

[Thedrin]

I like the US Postal Service. When I was three they would give me free candy.

Yet more government waste.

 

[Antilogic]

Yet more government waste.

Yeah, just like those banks that would give lollipops to the kids. Damn waste!

Oh wait, are those private? Then it's just good customer service.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I like the US Postal Service. When I was three they would give me free candy.

They leave treats for my dog.

 

[Ajidica]

Yet more government waste.

I dunno. If I actually had to send packages by mail I would use UPS. Of course, the last time I sent a package by mail was...<thinking>... never.

In case you are being serious, the cost of handing out a stale sucker to three year olds is miniscule. It keeps the little brats occupied while the parent is filling out forms or rooting around in their wallet for change. The time saved is immense.

 

[Cutlass]

Yeah, but one side really wants to cling to this great phrase because it's swell propaganda to rile up the base. And no amount of fact-checking refutation seems to stop it.

Then I'll keep using it too.

 

[peter grimes]

Who do you see as the productive members of society? I ask, because I'm among the highest most overly taxed demographic in the country. Meaning, most of the money that is stolen by the statists is handed over in a scheme to reward political pay-to-play operations in other districts, keeping crony socialists in power longer by their electorate.

And which entitlements will have to go?

What I see is that Obama can reward people who play along by exemption from Obamacare, and punish those who wont by forcing it upon them. Institutional cronyism.

And of course it wont work. If it were any good, Congress would be using it.

Institutional cronyism is alive and well in Congress. It's called 'defense spending'. It works (for them, not for the taxpayer).

I dont see a question. Romney lost. Comments about him are meaningless.

I've helpfully bolded my questions - even though Ziggy told you how they may be identified.

So please respond - hopefully we'll get back to the subject of this thread

 

[Racsoviale]

This is the best thread ever.