Peace theme elimination thread

[Frossa]

Arabia -20
Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 16 Don't understand the love for this at all. Surprises me it hasn't gotten eliminated as of yet.
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
France - 3
Greece- 21
Huns - 16
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois - 9 Iroquois.
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 26 Truly magnificent. One more reason not to be at war with Genghis.
Morocco- 5
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 15
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam- 11
Songhai -14
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[benjamin28]

Arabia -20 + 1 = 21
Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 16 - 3 = 13
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
France - 3
Greece- 21
Huns - 16
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois - 9
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 26
Morocco- 5
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 15
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam- 11
Songhai -14
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

+ This music is haunting. It starts slowly and takes its time to become one of the most grandiose tunes of all civs.

- The celts have a theme that sounds so generic and so... un-celt. I wasn't expecting anything resembling a New Age pastiche like the modern era Celts of Civ 4, but the new, relaxing tune of Civ 5 is easily overshadowed by most of the other European tracks. It's just bland.

 

[Guandao]

Arabia -21
Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 13
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
France - 3-3=0 eliminated wonder if anyone will be upset now France peace is gone, hopefully not, this Cancan rendition does not fit Napoleon for me
Greece- 21
Huns - 16
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois - 9
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 26
Morocco- 5
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 15
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam- 11
Songhai -14+1=15 I like the peace theme better than war, it has a West African feel to it
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[Frossa]

Arabia -21
Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 13
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 16
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois - 9
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 26
Morocco - 2 I have nothing else to downvote.
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 16 This is so underrated. I'm guessing those who downvoted it haven't listened to the entire piece?
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 11
Songhai -15
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[poom3619]

Uh, Guys. I know it's hard to know what another guy thinking when he post something that you simply don't wholly agree. But I wish everyone to at least respect other's opinion.
(BTW, I listening America's theme and found it far better than some piece here )

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 14 IMO, One of the theme worth keeping. I would conduct an orchestra in the wood in my head while not expect anyone to understand it.
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 16
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois - 9
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 26
Morocco - 2
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 16
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 8 - I actually like this theme. But my head already compose lyric for it since I never heard it before. It's kind of repetitive and it certainly not my most favorite theme.
Songhai -15
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[Lord Xavius]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 11 (It just doesn't leave a positive impression on me. Feels too uninteresting to belong among the top themes, and not what I'd prefer for a Celtic theme.)
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 16
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois - 9
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 26
Morocco - 2
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 17 (More power to Rome's beautiful and majestic theme.)
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 8
Songhai -15
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[Graceheart the Leopard]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 11
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 16
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois - 9
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27 WE HAVE PEACE BECAUSE I ALLOW IT!
Morocco - 1 Never heard it and it's it's not getting any votes so I guess I'll put it out of its misery.
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 17
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 8
Songhai -15
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[poom3619]

@Farsight There are few sources where you can listen to them. I don't think your vote will change when you heard it BTW.

 

[Guandao]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 11+1=12 the composer Michael Curran would have something to say about making a "Celtic" theme, the song he picked was perfect, perhaps he should have stuck closely to the tune of the Lass of Aughrim, but I'm satisfied by this theme and it should not be the next to go
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 16
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois - 9-3=6 peaceful, but uninteresting to me
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 17
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 8
Songhai -15
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[Guandao]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium -16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 12
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 12
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 16+1=17 it is a majestic theme, hinting at Attila's power, always a surprise when Knorr picked a Chinese melody about the Xiongnu, cause some people think Xiongnu=Hun
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois -6
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 17
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 8-3=5 I have stated before, this isn't a melody most Thai would recognize, plus it's repetitive
Songhai -15
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[Frossa]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 12
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 17
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois -6
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 18 I'm just going to keep upvoting this, cause it really deserves it.
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 5
Songhai -15
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[Lord Xavius]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 9 (I still feel this is the weakest and least interesting link.)
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 17
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois -6
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19 (It really does deserve it. Second favorite peace theme, so I'm giving it more support.)
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 5
Songhai -15
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[benjamin28]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 9
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 17
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois -6
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 5 - 3 = 2
Songhai -15 + 1 = 16
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

+ I know there's a leitmotiv that appears all the time, but the music itself is very changing. It starts very peacefully, then goes to a crescendo and ends up almost like a lullaby. Also, it sounds very african, unlike Shaka's, which is too westernized to my taste.

- I'm currently playing as Siam, and I try to reload as little as possible so I won't have to suffer its music. It's quite the opposite of Askia's tune: Rammy's sounds like a bland Hollywood score to some romance located in South Asia.

 

[Frossa]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 9
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 18 Another underrated piece. It's much like the Mongolian one, and I couldn't really decide which one to vote up, so I did the one with the least score.
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois -6
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Siam - 0 ded. not big surprize.
Songhai - 16
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

 

[Vets]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 16
Carthage - 22
Celts - 9 - 3 = 6
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 18
Inca- 23
India- 21
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois -6
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Songhai - 16 + 1 = 17
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

Celts' theme is just bland especially considering the look of the leader. Also doesn't seem that celtic to me.

Songhai's is the best theme in the game. Great meld of orchestral and african sounds. Blows my mind that anyone voted it down.

That's because the source melody Michael Curran (the composer) based the Songhai theme on was repetitive, it was a Gambian man playing a simple repeating melody on a guitar like instrument on youtube.

Anyone have link to this?

 

[fuzzatron717]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 22
Celts - 6
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 18
Inca- 23
India- 18
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois -6
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Songhai - 17
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

As I said before and a million times over Byzantium sounds the best power, prestige, and glory of the lost empire....

India's music annoys me to the point I mute the music when coming across them.

 

[Guandao]

Assyria - 15
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 22
Celts - 6+1=7 please read Curran (Composer)'s reply to me below
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 18
Inca- 23
India- 18
Indonesia - 24
Iroquois -6-3=3 snorefest that is worst than Celtic Peace
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Songhai - 17
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

I am happy that you like the Boudicca Theme music. It is one of my favorites. "The Lass of Aughrim" has been a favorite of mine for many years every since I first heard it in John Huston's film "The Dead" from the short story by James Joyce in his 1914 collection "Dubliners". I believe that Joyce references the tune and Huston included it at the very end of the film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1CP5Lz2iHE It is among my favorite scenes in film history.

"The Lass of Aughrim" is most commonly known as an Irish tune, but as I began to research it, I discovered that it had Scottish roots. Many early folk songs of England, Scotland, Wales, and America had a rather intertwined history and evolution. The fact that it had Scottish roots and was related to the tune "Lord Gregory", I thought that I had enough of a connection there to use it as the Boudicca Theme.

I do read the Civ forums regularly and am aware of the comments or type of comments you mention. As to a complaint that it is not "Celtic" enough or that it should have been more like Civ4's Celtic Theme, I would say that the design of Civilization V was very different than that of Civilization IV in regard to the design of the soundtrack and the varied use of the Leader Music in the game. Early in the project, we met with the design leads and determined that we wanted "Cinematic Orchestral" as a style. As for how the "non-western" or "non-classical" music was to be treated, we tried to evoke ethnicity much the way a movie composer would by including ethnic themes and ethnic instruments into the "cinematic orchestral" style of composing. The Civ IV Celtic theme by contrast was written to sound like more traditional ethnic music of the region - or more specifically, what most people would expect that to sound like. While beautifully composed and rendered by Mark Cromer, the style choice was a product of the musical design of Civ4. You can read more of my thoughts about the musical design of Civ5 in articles and interviews I have posted on my website http://www.michaelcurran.net/esteem.html As to the comment about the lack of bagpipes in the war theme, I would say to go back and listen again. Bagpipes are featured prominently although are doubled along with the orchestra brass. Perhaps that is why it may have gone unnoticed by some.

Thank you for your interest in my Civilization music. Keep listening!

 

[benjamin28]

Assyria - 15 + 1 = 16
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 22
Celts - 6
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 18
Inca- 23
India- 18
Indonesia- 24
Iroquois- 3 - 3 = 0 ELIMINATED
Japan- 22
Korea- 8
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Songhai - 17
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

+ A brief but majestic piece. It starts very slowly, but luckily has more personality than its babylonian counterpart. After a few seconds, it becomes a somewhat menacing peace theme, like a big parade marching through the desert!

- It's very obvious that Hiawatha's track isn't composed by the same people that made eveything else. It's incredibly dull, plain and a little stereotyped. To me, it's the worst amerindian theme.

PS: I was ninja'ed by Guandao. So I had to correct the points and Hiawatha got eliminated.

 

[EulerMcE]

Assyria - 16
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 22
Celts - 7
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 18
Inca- 23
India- 18
Indonesia- 24
Iroquois- 3
Japan- 22
Korea- 8 - 3 = 5
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Songhai - 17+1 = 18
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21

+: I actually really like this theme, even though it falls a bit flat at the end. The first time I heard I sat the turn so I could listen to it. I find it suitably peaceful, taken independently of Askia's background.

-: It's just very plain and generic. Nothing memorable about it.

I am happy that you like the Boudicca Theme music. It is one of my favorites. "The Lass of Aughrim" has been a favorite of mine for many years every since I first heard it in John Huston's film "The Dead" from the short story by James Joyce in his 1914 collection "Dubliners". I believe that Joyce references the tune and Huston included it at the very end of the film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1CP5Lz2iHE It is among my favorite scenes in film history.

"The Lass of Aughrim" is most commonly known as an Irish tune, but as I began to research it, I discovered that it had Scottish roots. Many early folk songs of England, Scotland, Wales, and America had a rather intertwined history and evolution. The fact that it had Scottish roots and was related to the tune "Lord Gregory", I thought that I had enough of a connection there to use it as the Boudicca Theme.

I do read the Civ forums regularly and am aware of the comments or type of comments you mention. As to a complaint that it is not "Celtic" enough or that it should have been more like Civ4's Celtic Theme, I would say that the design of Civilization V was very different than that of Civilization IV in regard to the design of the soundtrack and the varied use of the Leader Music in the game. Early in the project, we met with the design leads and determined that we wanted "Cinematic Orchestral" as a style. As for how the "non-western" or "non-classical" music was to be treated, we tried to evoke ethnicity much the way a movie composer would by including ethnic themes and ethnic instruments into the "cinematic orchestral" style of composing. The Civ IV Celtic theme by contrast was written to sound like more traditional ethnic music of the region - or more specifically, what most people would expect that to sound like. While beautifully composed and rendered by Mark Cromer, the style choice was a product of the musical design of Civ4. You can read more of my thoughts about the musical design of Civ5 in articles and interviews I have posted on my website http://www.michaelcurran.net/esteem.html As to the comment about the lack of bagpipes in the war theme, I would say to go back and listen again. Bagpipes are featured prominently although are doubled along with the orchestra brass. Perhaps that is why it may have gone unnoticed by some.

Thank you for your interest in my Civilization music. Keep listening!

I think his justification for it is quite tenuous. Being from Ireland and Scotland does not necessarily make it Celtic. When it comes to Celtic culture the connection is that it was sung sometimes (in English) in the Irish speaking area of Conamara but its origins is probably lowland Scots. There's a legitimacy to the claim that it's not really 'Celtic'.

 

[Sagax]

Arabia - 22 - oh hai Arabia, hiding once again in an elimination thread. But seriously, the build-up of this theme is great.
Assyria - 16
Austria - 8
Aztec -21
Brazil - 22
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 22
Celts - 7
China - 15
Dutch - 21
Egypt - 9
England -23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece- 21
Huns - 18
Inca- 23
India- 18
Indonesia- 24
Iroquois- 0 - not impressed by this theme. I was trying to remember its motif, and when I thought I got it I realized it was actually the random track for Mesoamerican civs.
Japan- 22
Korea- 8 - 3 = 5
Maya- 21
Mongolia- 27
Ottoman- 24
Persia- 22
Poland- 21
Polynesia- 21
Portugal - 21
Rome- 19
Russia - 21
Shoshone - 21
Songhai - 17+1 = 18
Spain - 22
Sweden - 26
Zulu- 21