PH18: We Hates You'se

[pholkhero]

well, that's what i thought re: barbs, BUT:

a) as fox mentions, iron should be going real soon, and
b) chariots get their bonus vs attacking axes so if we can get two warriors and a chariot as temporary defense, i tihnk we'll do okay.

i would also seriously try and take back london. If we can draw out that spear when our chariot is healed nearby, we could take out the wounded spear with our warrior (he hopes), and then send our chariot in. worth a try anyway...

after all, it's only emperor

and have "fun" at the academy fox ~ don't get caught in the holodeck with your pants down again

 

[v8_mark]

The only way we're going to be anything like a force in this game is by taking a chance and settling the iron at this point. As pholk says, two warriors and a chariot should do it. Iron being hooked up is a priority.

The axe should wander over towards London I think in an effort to retake it. Once the iron is hooked up we can attack with swords; then we're sure to get it back if our teammates don't first. Then we should settle towards the centre if we can.

If we can do all that we might (might) be back on track...

 

[pholkhero]

The axe should wander over towards London I think in an effort to retake it. Once the iron is hooked up we can attack with swords; then we're sure to get it back if our teammates don't first. Then we should settle towards the centre if we can.

axe? we don't have no steenkin' axes . . .

i think my plan of a warrior adn chariot *should* work ~ of course, provide the barbs don't build any units yet.

 

[White Dragon]

Will be playing a little later. Settle & hookup Iron. Defend. These are my tasks if I choose to accept them.

 

[TurdFerguson]

Are you going after London pre-axes?

 

[pholkhero]

i think they only way to take it for ourselves will be pre-axes. just keep moving that warrior back and forth from the grassland to that hill and the spear will keep popping out. you have 2 or 3 turns for the chariot, then it's ours ~ trust in pholkhero

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[White Dragon]

Played a relatively short set.

Turn 111
Settled Nottingham at the location of the settler. Chose a Library as first build since Body and us will be completing for the cows. Stop both worker builds in York and head straight for Iron.

Turn 112
London now has an Archer. Spearman & Warrior. Plus, there are roads everywhere so now the defending spear can take us, if the AI is smart enough to do so.

Turn113
As predicted, spear moved out to defend. So instead of retreating to grassland I move to hill in hopes of winning or at least severely damaging spear so Chariot can mop up.

Turn 114
And our warrior is dead. Chariot has > 90% odds so I take a chance. And Mr. Spearmen is dead.

Turn 115
Chariot get Combat I for his troubles.

Turn 116
Only 9% odds of chariot to take archer. Looks like we need a couple swordsmen. Oh look, a barb axeman and archer show up outside Not. Have to retreat workers from mining Iron. We have two warriors and an axeman. Maneuver London's Chariot to try and steal worker. Math is completed. I set Sailing so we don't have to build a road to have that Iron.

Turn 117
Oh look, another set of barb axeman/archer. Yes, that makes two pairs. Archer is best defender of 1st pair so I attack him with our chariot and win. Whip another chariot in York.

Turn 118
The axeman attacks and kills the chariot. An archer attacks and is killed by one of our warriors.

Turn 119
The heavily damaged axe attacks and is killed by fortified warrior. Nottingham survived.

Turn 120-121 ZZZ

Turn 122
Sailing finished. Set slider to 0% and jump on board with Body/Bissy on Masonry. Body has an axeman outside London. Hopefully he attacks and kills archer so our chariot can mop up warrior and take city back.

Turn 123
Axeman moves into position. Wang builds the Pyramids.

Turn 124
Both Bismark & Body's troops go right by London. Looks like we are going to have to wait for a couple of Swords. There are 2 more axes outside Not. Luckily our two chariots take care of the problem. Workers finish road on Iron so now we have that. And now London has 2 Archers and a Warrior. Masonry completed without our help.

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[Rex Tyrannus]

Nice pics, Dragon. So we have one warrior left at nottingham? Better get better defense there before my set. I'm in way over my head with this game.

 

[TurdFerguson]

Nice pics, Dragon.

Ahh burn!

Got it. I'll take a look tonight and play tomorrow.

 

[TurdFerguson]

Any thoughts on tech path?

I hit enter and Boz and Boud went Archery. Fox suggested that we probably don't need it since we have iron hooked up.

HBR? We have horses in York. MC/Machinery for xbows?
edit: you need archery for xbows

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

My vote is for whatever gets us to shooting Muskets with Redcoats fastest.

 

[TurdFerguson]

Spoiler :

Turn 125/750 (875 BC)

Turn 126/750 (850 BC)
While attacking, Chariot decimates Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 89.4%)
While attacking in the wild near Ghuzz, Chariot (0.80/4) defeats Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 89.4%)
While attacking, Chariot decimates Barbarian Axeman (Prob Victory: 79.0%)
While attacking in the wild near Ghuzz, Chariot (0.52/4) defeats Barbarian Axeman (Prob Victory: 79.0%)

Research begun: Metal Casting (167 Turns)

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
Confucianism founded in a distant land
Civics Change: Mansa Musa(Mali) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'
Civics Change: Ramesses II(Egypt) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 127/750 (825 BC)

After End Turn:
Nottingham grows to size 2

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Montezuma(Aztec) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'
Civics Change: Pacal II(Maya) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'

Turn 128/750 (800 BC)

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
State Religion Change: Montezuma (Aztec) from 'no State Religion' to 'Confucianism'
State Religion Change: Pacal II (Maya) from 'no State Religion' to 'Confucianism'

Turn 129/750 (775 BC)

Turn 130/750 (750 BC)
York begins: Swordsman (15 turns)
Nottingham begins: Swordsman (10 turns)

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Nottingham
The whip was applied in York
Nottingham finishes: Library
York finishes: Barracks

Turn 131/750 (725 BC)

After End Turn:
York grows to size 3

Turn 132/750 (700 BC)

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
State Religion Change: Roosevelt (America) from 'no State Religion' to 'Confucianism'
Civics Change: Shaka(Zululand) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 133/750 (675 BC)

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
State Religion Change: Asoka (India) from 'no State Religion' to 'Buddhism'

Turn 134/750 (650 BC)
While attacking, Chariot decimates Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 89.4%)
While attacking in the wild near Ghuzz, Chariot (2.08/4) defeats Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 89.4%)

Turn 135/750 (625 BC)

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in York
York finishes: Swordsman

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Asoka(India) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'

Turn 136/750 (600 BC)
York begins: Granary (90 turns)

Turn 137/750 (575 BC)

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in York

Turn 138/750 (550 BC)

After End Turn:
Nottingham finishes: Swordsman
York grows to size 3

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Qin Shi Huang(China) from 'Despotism' to 'Representation'

Turn 139/750 (525 BC)
Nottingham begins: Barracks (25 turns)

Turn 140/750 (500 BC)

Turn 125/750 875 BC
Barracks and a library when I feel like we need troops. Hmm

Turn 126/750 850 BC
At a bit of a loss for what to research, but finally decide to dial up MC

Chariots take out warrior/axe pair

Turn 130/750 750 BC
Whip library in Not., whip barracks in York
Start on swords

Turn 132/750 700 BC
Extra archer in London now

Turn 134/750 650 BC
Take out a barb warrior to save Boud's scout
Looks like Biz is going to take a crack at London with an axe

Turn 135/750 625 BC
Biz's axe wins, so there's now 2 archers, 1 warrior in London
Whip the sword in York to get up to help out at London

Turn 134/750 600 BC
Start on Granary in York to help with whipping

Turn 139/750 525 BC
Not's library whip pays off and we pick up cows.

Turn 140/750 500 BC
Left it here.
We have an axe and a chariot in London with one more of each on it's way. Hopefully Biz's axe will heal and come back for round 2.
Make sure to micro York to get the granary in before the growth. Swap between the gems and the cottage. Keep an eye on the whip unhappiness

Pics to come...

 

[v8_mark]

Got it, will have a look a bit later on. Looking promising though, we might get London back after all.

 

[pholkhero]

nice turns, all. I don't think we should waste too many more units to take back the city. let's focus on more settlers, i think, now...maybe 2 more?? metal casting? hmm...dunno if that was the best, i might've gone up to construction or towards CS but either way works for now.


Roster:
dragon
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Rex >> on deck
fox
pholkhero

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

metal casting? hmm...dunno if that was the best

Then why the hell didn't you say so when he asked for tech advice 36 hours before he played. Apathy means forfeiting your right to complain, too.

 

[v8_mark]

Having a complete 'mare here. Wasn't possible to take back London, because the time I got there, there were FIVE archers defending, and 40% culture. Given that all I had were two swords, two axes and two chariots, that idea got abandoned very quickly.

On the plus side, we did get another city.

Here's the save; full report to follow.

Spoiler autolog :

Logging by BUG Mod 4.0 [Build 1894] (BtS 3.13-3.19)
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Turn 140/750 (500 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:04:20]
Nottingham begins: Granary (30 turns)
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 2 per turn, 124 in the bank

After End Turn:
Nottingham grows to size 2

Turn 141/750 (485 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:08:03]
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 3 per turn, 126 in the bank

Turn 142/750 (470 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:08:57]
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 3 per turn, 129 in the bank

Turn 143/750 (455 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:09:41]
A Mine was built near York
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 3 per turn, 132 in the bank

Turn 144/750 (440 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:10:12]
York begins: Settler (17 turns)
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 3 per turn, 135 in the bank

Turn 145/750 (425 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:11:56]
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 2 per turn, 138 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Nottingham
York finishes: Granary

Turn 146/750 (410 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:12:49]
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 2 per turn, 140 in the bank

Turn 147/750 (395 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:13:19]
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 2 per turn, 142 in the bank

Turn 148/750 (380 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:14:06]
Nottingham begins: Lighthouse (13 turns)
60% Research: 13 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
40% Gold: 3 per turn, 144 in the bank

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Wang Kon(Korea) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'

Turn 149/750 (365 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:15:03]
100% Research: 22 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -5 per turn, 147 in the bank

After End Turn:
Nottingham grows to size 3

Turn 150/750 (350 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:15:58]
100% Research: 23 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -5 per turn, 142 in the bank

Turn 151/750 (335 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:16:29]
100% Research: 23 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -5 per turn, 137 in the bank

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'
Civics Change: Montezuma(Aztec) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 152/750 (320 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:17:22]
100% Research: 23 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -5 per turn, 132 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in York
York finishes: Settler

Turn 153/750 (305 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:18:09]
York begins: Swordsman (10 turns)
York begins: Library (45 turns)
100% Research: 26 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -6 per turn, 127 in the bank

After End Turn:
Nottingham finishes: Granary

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Pacal II(Maya) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 154/750 (290 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:19:16]
100% Research: 26 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -6 per turn, 121 in the bank

Turn 155/750 (275 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:20:01]
100% Research: 26 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -6 per turn, 115 in the bank

After End Turn:

Other Player Actions:
State Religion Change: Wang Kon (Korea) from 'no State Religion' to 'Judaism'

Turn 156/750 (260 BC) [05-Oct-2009 21:20:33]
Hastings founded
Hastings begins: Granary (45 turns)
A Cottage was built near Nottingham

 

[v8_mark]

Well, overall this went fairly abysmally...we're going to die, possibly quite soon.

First of all, I decided to have one last go at trying to take London back. I figured that this was the only way we would be any kind of a factor in this game - if I didn't do it soon, someone else would; possibly someone from another continent, which wouldn't be good.

So I upgraded a warrior to an axe in London

...and set about sending a little expeditionary force; enough to take out 4, maybe 5 archers.

I decided to heed pholk's advice about settlers; seeing as whipping was out in York for a while (28 turns of anger when I started), it had to be chops:

Then my force got to London:

...oh well. These guys will live to fight another day; possibly against Shaka quite soon.

Meanwhile, Monty's been busy (I actually thought about sending a force down here to deal with this city instead - maybe it would have been a good idea):

Settler paid off - here's our new city that I squoze in:

...and some more overview shots:

Hey, we're 4th in approval rating!

I can't even begin to think how we're going to get out of this mess. MC came in last turn, and I've not selected anything else for research; I'm completely at a loss.

Roster:
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Rex >> UP NOW
fox >> on deck
pholkhero

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

I see the save. Might play tonight. I'll review the tech tree and see which makes the most sense.

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

Okay, I played a quick 10 with (hopefully) nothing of consequence happening to us. Just about the only thing I did was this...

I figured you just can't go wrong with catapults. Anyhow, it'll be in in about 11 more turns.

Just for sh*ts and giggles, I checked the diplomacy screen, expecting to see naked hatred from all. I was quite surprised.

Mansa pleased? I thought Pholk hardwired the relationships? Hmmm...It still didn't stop jackass from from redding out everything in the trade screen though. Go to war against Roosevelt? We just don't like you enough. Jerk.

Really though, aside from letting Mansa irritate me, just about all I did was hit enter and move workers around. I built a couple more cottages at Nottingham and then moved one worker over toward Hastings. Not sure what to do with him there, so I'll leave that up to Fox.

Toward the end of my set, two disturbing things happened. First, Monty decided to militarize:

But that fire was soon quenched the very next turn when WWI broke out between Asia and the Americas.

Second disturbance happened at the same time. I'm not sure what a Goth uprising of axmen means. It's been too long since I've played Civ.

Are we hosed? I don't see much fog of war near us, but London has a nice paved road and only about three tiles of Germany to slug through to get to York. I'm sure Fox will save us though.

He's dreamy.

 

[pholkhero]

good sets, guys...the titanic is almost bailed out.

fox's dreaminess aside, maybe we *should* restart after all? I'd be up for that? votes??