Pick the Civ5 Leaders (There's a Catch)

[Dragonflow]

Here are some leader that weren't in any Civ game and which I'd like to see.

France: Henry IV and Napoleon III
Germany ( including Austria): Maximilian I and Wilhelm II
Rome: Trajan and Manuel I Komnenoi
Greece: Themistocles and Antiochos III
Spain: Charles I
USA: Theodore Roosevelt
Japan: Meiji

Also why do people keep asking for Hitler? He wasn't a good politician nor a good general. He lost WWII and his actions resulted the partition of Germany and later all of Europe. Firaxis wouldn't include him since if they did the game would be banned in Germany and Germany is a very big market.

 

[Double A]

Rome: Marcus Arelius, Hadrian, Cincinnatus

USA: FDR, Thomas Jefferson

England: Richard II the Lionheart

Tropico: the Avatar

 

[Aklilu]

Akbar of the Mughal empire as a whole new civilization.

 

[Arakhor]

Richard I was the Lionheart. Richard II was the grandson of Edward III and ruled two centuries later.

 

[liquid fire]

Nelson Mandela perhaps

+1

Since the continent of Africa only ever gets one civ anyway, re-name it sub-Saharan Africa and represent it by Shaka and President Mandela. He is the only modern leader who has already achieved timelessness imv

 

[Arakhor]

Not our Queen or doesn't she qualify as a modern leader?

 

[Ingvina Freyr]

I believe she's both modern and ancient, having ruled since shortly after time began (or so it feels).

 

[kivanc]

what about this?

marco van basten of netherlands, since he is the most famous dutch.

 

[Arakhor]

Spot the obvious trolling post just above mine.

 

[kivanc]

Spot the obvious trolling post just above mine.

i don't know what "trolling" means so i have to discard your comment. it was a good joke, however, sure some won't like

 

[Serai]

this thread raises the question if a leader you can pick should have been a good one or just a famous one

i mean, hitler is suggested quite often but as a leader he managed to ruin his country in the span of less than a decade

other leaders were in charge when their countrys flourished but had little to do with it themselves

 

[kivanc]

yeah. i'm sure africa had many great leaders who were more important than shaka. the west just knows a little about him and shaka was their pick for africans. this is similar.
soem leader picks were fine but some weren't.

what about this?

marco van basten of netherlands, since he is the most famous dutch.

so if firaxis wants to put famous persons as leaders, best choice for dutch would be marco van basten by far. yes, that was a joke but there was also a message in it.

 

[Tee Kay]

Great discussions here.

Anyway, the score:

Thomas Jefferson is winning so far, though Emperor Meiji is a close second. Other popular leaders: Marcus Aurelius, Theodore Roosevelt, Jalaluddin M. Akbar and Karl V/Carlos I

 

[kroket]

You guys tend to know a lot of history. Loads of leaders i haven't heard of or at least couldn't have come up with myself.

First of all i can't help but mention my amazement when i saw 'joan of arc' on the list. Really???
Who came up with that?? I've only played civ4 extensively. I have played 3 and 2 but i was kinda young at the time and didn't delve into it at all so don't remember much.

Ok a couple of suggestions (forgive me if i can't mention anyone from mongolia or aztecs or a civ like that...) BTW going into the sevopedia and reading the civ histories might also give some idea's.

Ok here are a couple suggestions on my part:

Egypt: Snofru (the guy from the bend pyramid), Thutmose
Rome: Hadrianus, Trajanus, Tiberius
Holland: (hmm we never had any good 'leaders' it seems and they were all called willem) Jan de Wit was 'stadhouder' if i remember correctly. A more modern name is Willem Drees put he is post WW2 died in 89 i think.
England: Henry the 8th (hehehe) with traits 'drunk' and 'womanizer' giving you a -2 happiness in every city and -2 diplo with all leaders
USA: Thomas Jefferson is an obvious choice but what about Woodrow Wilson, thougt he had a ' similar' plan as FD Roosevelt in the 1910s? John Adams is also possible.
Russia: Ivan the terrible
Some others i have heard like Nebuchadnezar, Chandragupta, Meji, Alfonso etc.

As to the leaders i wouldn't mind NOT to return:
Sitting Bull (along with the 'civ'), Tokugawa, Stalin, Mao

 

[Tee Kay]

First of all i can't help but mention my amazement when i saw 'joan of arc' on the list. Really???

Jeanne d'Arc is the French leader in Civ3.

This is her in the Modern Era:

 

[Pangur Bán]

I gotta say I have reservations about Cœur de Lion as leader of England. A decent military leader with lots of prestige because of his crusading, he is famous today. But he was a terrible king whose irresponsible rule largely led to the disasters of the reign of John.

Henry II, his daddy, was a great king. As was Henry I. And does no-one agree with me that England ought to have one pre-conquest king (even if it is the third leader in some future xp)?

 

[Arakhor]

You mean someone like Canute, Alfred or Aethelstan? There aren't many choices

 

[Tavenier]

Rome: Diocletianus and Marcus Aerelius

 

[CornPlanter]

As to the leaders i wouldn't mind NOT to return:
Sitting Bull (along with the 'civ'), Tokugawa, Stalin, Mao

Bah. While I disagree with you on Sitting Bull, Stalin and Mao, at least I can see reasons behind that. But Tokugawa? Why on Earth you don't want him back?

 

[thungrim]

How about a little Prestor John from the mysterious Christian empire of the East?