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Pinochet Common Misconceptions

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RomanKing said:
Pinochet wasn't a fascist. He was a dictator who reinstated the free market and property rights. He also stabilized the country and put and end to the killings by communist guerillas.

Many people in Chile consider General Pinochet to be a savior.


May I suggest you stick to asking questions about topics where your knowledge is clearly lacking? After all responding to questions was the stated intent of this thread.
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Wow. None of you have been very welcoming or accommodating to RomanKing have you? I mean, the guy comes here to discuss his point of view on a subject and you all immediately just start right in with the mockery and attacks without even hearing what he has to say.

RomanKing, first off welcome to CFCOT. Second, let's start over with a more civil discussion. I'll start by asking: What misconceptions of Pinochet are you aiming to clear up?
 
Commodore said:
Wow. None of you have been very welcoming or accommodating to RomanKing have you? I mean, the guy comes here to discuss his point of view on a subject and you all immediately just start right in with the mockery and attacks without even hearing what he has to say.
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The thread seemed to be somewhat normal to me until the constant stream of bossiness from an OP who is brand-new here. This should have been posted as an "Ask a(n)....." thread, using the rules for that type of thread, and perhaps then it wouldn't have turned quite so cutting.

I have a few questions for the OP, but since none of them involve Pinochet, I will keep his orders - sorry, his "request" - in mind and not ask them.
 
Valka D'Ur said:
The thread seemed to be somewhat normal to me until the constant stream of bossiness from an OP who is brand-new here. This should have been posted as an "Ask a(n)....." thread, using the rules for that type of thread, and perhaps then it wouldn't have turned quite so cutting.

I have a few questions for the OP, but since none of them involve Pinochet, I will keep his orders - sorry, his "request" - in mind and not ask them.
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True, but I think he got "bossy" because he was almost immediately put on the defensive since the first few posts in the thread were mocking in their tone.
 
OP is a literal teenager who was still inside his dad's testicle while Pinochet's goons were beating prisoners with chains inside unmarked warehouses. He has no perspective besides that which he got from his parents.

He offers no insight, his family was just one of those privileged by the regime. Who cares. Of course there are winners when a dictator is in power, the Kims were good to some families, Qaddafi was good to some tribes, Mobute was good to some families, Saddam was good to some tribes, Assad was good to some tribes. You can find dictator apologists anywhere.
 
Be very wary of Americans you meet in Canada. We aren't sending them our best, if you catch my drift.
 
Bugfatty300 said:
Merely an expression. Canadians are a smart and vibrant culture and their cats are of exceptional high quality.
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That's better. :scan:

Commodore said:
True, but I think he got "bossy" because he was almost immediately put on the defensive since the first few posts in the thread were mocking in their tone.
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No, he was bossy from the very first post. People picked up on that and responded accordingly.

In other words, the OP was treated the same way anyone else is who posts a bossy-style of OP.

Nexlev said:
Be very wary of Americans you meet in Canada. We aren't sending them our best, if you catch my drift.
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Such as whom?

People in Manitoba are beyond merely concerned about the hundreds of Muslim asylum-seekers who are illegally crossing the border because they don't trust the new Trump government to treat them fairly. These people are from warm-climate places such as Sudan and Somalia and have said they prefer to risk dying from frostbite and hypothermia to get to a country where they have even a small chance of being allowed to stay, rather than be deported back to the country they fled in the first place.
 
I was speaking in more general terms, not focused on the last six months. Also I find American expats a negative bitter bunch, not just in Canada.

As far as refugees go, I'm not going to defend that
 
GoodSarmatian said:
Come on, that's clearly over the line.
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Oh, but praising Pinochet and thus implicitly saying his victims had it coming isn't?
At least I'm open and lucid about my opinion here. I'm on the side of the Communist guerrillas. I support armed struggle against figures like Pinochet.
 
RomanKing said:
Starvation and being murdered by communist guerillas is preferable to you?
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That is not what I said. My questions still stand. Why are you willing to ignore these crimes simply because your familial circle benefited from the regime?
 
RomanKing said:
Having relatives who were murdered by communist guerillas and other family members who lived through the junta who witnessed people starving to death and being shot down in the streets I must say, I really don't see what's so funny about it, so unless you have a question I would appreciate it if you stayed clear of this thread.
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How many people starved to death.
 
Poors starved to death and still voted for Allende. So they needed to be subjugated, tortured and murdered to be saved from themselves.
 
Pinochet was a dictator who suppressed civil liberties and murdered political opponents and thus should be condemned for that. However, while one (rightfully and justifiably) may criticize his domestic policies, his fiscal policies and economic reforms saved the Chilean economy which was going downhill under Allende. Thanks to those economic reforms, Chile has one of the best and most stable economies in Latin America. So, yes, Pinochet should be condemned for his human rights violations but his economic policies had a positive effect on Chilean economy. If it wasn't for those economic reforms, Chile would be another Marxist failed state like Venezuela.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/how-free-market-capitalism-saved-an-entire-nation-from-collapse/

http://www.heritage.org/internation...ow-chile-successfully-transformed-its-economy
 
So how many people actually died as a result of communist repression in Chile before or during Allende's presidency? I've never read anything credible to point to anything serious going on there. Although a disorganized resistance movement did make a few bombings and killed a few people while Pinochet was in power, the vast majority of the left-wing violence in the Southern Cone at the time was in Argentina and Uruguay, where actual left-wing terrorism did happen although the right-wing military response was of course wildly disproportionate.
 
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