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Police Shoot Tool-wielding Assailant, Outrage Erupts

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Azash, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. PacoDeth

    PacoDeth Chieftain

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    Right you are, as they don't seek the death penalty or life for police dogs. They do however still relate a police dog as a police officer and carry stricter punishments than if it were just a neighbors dog. Laws on this vary by state.
     
  2. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    Rightfully so because I'd imagine that a good police dog is a pretty hefty investment at the expense of the tax payer's dime unlike some one's pet poodle. However if there is a state that officially recognizes police dogs as sworn LEOs, in any capacity, then that would be surprising. As far as I know the practice of giving K9s badges and rank is all sentimental and carries no legal weight whatsoever.

    It would seem any law based on the consideration that a dog is somehow an law enforcement officer would be fairly legally unsound. For instance a dog has no concept of legal/constitutional rights, which is something I would hope is a prerequisite for being a police officer in all jurisdictions.
     
  3. Ayn Rand

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    I don't think they give "real" police officer status to an officer who chases after cats and likes to lick his own b***s.

    But then again, if he can fetch doughnuts, he's a shoe-in.


    As for this incident, I had a thought - why not just install an automatic machine-gun outside shops and gun down any suspected criminals by remote control? That's got to be a lot cheaper than all those officers and dogs, for the same result.
     
  4. GinandTonic

    GinandTonic Saphire w/ Schweps + Lime

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    Not a great day for the cops but cant really see they've done much worse than be very mediocre at there jobs.

    The location of the site makes every difference. No where in western europe would showing the violent killing of a human be rated as less obscene than the caught on camera commentary. The US's PG13 rating criteria doesnt represent a universal moral code.
     
  5. Silurian

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    Well these UK police did not need to use guns in a more dangerous situation.

    From Sun with Video attached

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3588089/Machete-maniac-lunges-at-police-officers.html
     
  6. Bamspeedy

    Bamspeedy We'll dig up the road!

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  7. PacoDeth

    PacoDeth Chieftain

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    Not worth the risk to the police officers, not worth the risk AT ALL. A weapon of that size, from a man of that size could easily inflict a fatal wound at numerous locations on the body, not just the head.

    On the other hand, in the U.S. this guy "probably" would have been put down with either mace or a taser before he had the chance to take numerous swing attempts at any officers. Of course, they may shoot him as well, that was the old way of going about it before less than lethal options were created for the sole purpose of subduing while saving lives (on both ends).

    Also, this guy in the US might not be as prone to swing a machete at a cop if they were pointing guns at him and ordering him to lower his weapon. Wielding a nice large blade, going against some guys with mere sticks doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Trying to rush people with firearms could only be explained as "Suicide by Cop".
     
  8. dirtyparrot

    dirtyparrot Upholding Brannigan's Law

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    On the surface, I don't think that there the police reacted over the top. The use of force was justified as the guy was about to attack.
     
  9. Silurian

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    Yes there are a few police shootings

    From UK Independent Police Complaints Commission

    http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/en/Pages/reports_polcustody.aspx

    http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/Documents/deaths_report_2010_11.pdf


    Please post the US figures so we can compare.

    Added Note figures are for England and Wales only
     
  10. Bugfatty300

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    Which is fine and dandy but since they were apparently unarmed what other options did they have?:confused: Anyone of those officers could have lost their head in an instant so I doubt this is somehow a safer/better tactic.
     
  11. Silurian

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    Well most Police Officers die in Traffic Incidents.

    Accordind to this list only one died in the UK last year as a result of intended actions by a criminal. Terrorist bombing in Northern Ireland.

    http://www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2011

    How many police officers die in the US.
     
  12. Bugfatty300

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    Traffic accidents and US police fatalities have nothing to do with the question regarding the use of lethal force against an armed assailant. A machete/crowbar/axe, etc etc wielded in an offensive fashion is as dangerous in UK as it is in any other country so I'm not sure what your point is.
     
  13. Silurian

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    Well not many UK police die at the hands of criminals even though they deal with criminals using knives etc . So not using lethal force as a standard method of response to some idiot with a machete/crowbar/axe does not result in police deaths.
     
  14. holy king

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    why?.

    it also would never have happened if kennedy hadnt been assassinated, rome hadnt destroyed carthage and if the big bang never had happened.

    what's the point?

    :lol:
    you do realize that "a pg-13 rating" is indend a label a us-american private organization sticks to things, do you?
    pg-13 doesnt even exist in other countries.
     
  15. NickyJ

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    The point is that it was the guy's own fault. He could have avoided being shot by putting down the weapon, or even better, not committing the crime.
     
  16. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    The amount of hilarity they find in the situation.
     
  17. holy king

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    oh, watched it without sound.
     
  18. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    F-you, I'm eating.

     
  19. Azash

    Azash La Sombra

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    You are also apparently unable to parse the topic title before you open it. In addition, nobody's linked the video in this thread.
     
  20. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    It's from a movie.
     

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