Polygon pre-order article includes additional information on DLC

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Why is this implying that the extra leaders/civs are coming Day 1? I'm misreading this right?

They don' goofed up.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Why is this implying that the extra leaders/civs are coming Day 1? I'm misreading this right?

Polygon apparently mixed the CotW content in with the Deluxe content on their list by accident.

 

[queenpea]

A Britain of Great Engineers and Scientists would be a joy to my heart

A scientific and economic focus sounds pretty logical for VII’s design.

I’m hoping for a fun bonus for extracted artifacts…let’s call it “Influence”…

 

[notNamed]

I think before I read the dev diary line above, my understanding was that the leaders had been broadened out from certified rulers to a broader definition of leaders, but still people who had political influence (including fighting for ideas) or leadership roles - which Machiavelli, Rizal and Franklin all fit the bill. Ada Lovelace doesn't (I'd forgotten about Ibn Battuta).

Just a note but 8housesofelixir brought up the fact that Ibn Battuta was a judge earlier in the discussion about him and was indeed called upon to decide on important matters in the Islam-following states he visited. Very much a strong political figure more in the camp with Franklin than Mrs. Lovelace.

Why is this implying that the extra leaders/civs are coming Day 1? I'm misreading this right?

Yeah, though they are not horribly wrong given that the entire pack will release within a month of the game's launch. It's not day 1 but most players won't even have finished a single game before that set of civs becomes available for additional purchase. Compared to all the later stuff that will be slowly developed and released piece by piece.

 

[Leucarum]

I'm curious what they do with Nepal and Assyria - finally some mesopotamia and Nepal feels like a civ you could easily make feel unique. Part of me hopes they aren't exploration as they're bound to have a mountain theme that could be interesting in combination with Inca.

I'm also excited for Carthage, as much as I'd also be excited for Phonecia, I'm still excited to see them! I still feel like I should apologize for that though.

Bulgaria, Qajar and Silla, I'm gonna go put on a limb and say I'm expecting something bland for each of them - and that'll work out better for Silla than Bulgaria or Qajar when they get science bonuses... I'm not their target audience though for sure.

Dai Viet - Civ6's Vietnam was quite innovative, and I enjoyed playing them... but we've got a lot of SEA representation already, so I'm curious to see how they differentiate them from their peers. It also feels awkward that this area (and France) is filling up fast while places like Africa, and Indigenous Americas are feeling very sparse...

Britain was inevitable. Maybe not as Britain but, hey it exists now... I guess we can move past the existential despair of its cheerleaders... Oh wait, is that Ada Lovelace? If you'll excuse me I just need to get some popcorn to watch the fallout. Good job Firaxis! Inspired choice, I legitimately am excited to see her.

Bolivar and Genghis I suspect I'm not the target audience for just on playstyle. But if there's a game where Bolivar makes sense, It'll be this one, and Genghis I'm genuinely surprised wasn't base game. Lakshmibai is a really interesting choice, but that's a lot of leaders in 7 whose theme is standing up to greater powers! I guess maybe "build something you believe in" means more for leader selection than elsewhere, but are they gonna run out of differentiating mechanics at this rate?

So I guess, Assyria, Carthage, Nepal, Dai Viet (with caveats, and maybe an intervention), Lakshimibai and Ada Lovelace grab my interest from this list, and if any others turn out to be fun, it'll be a bonus!

 

[The Fanatical]

I think it means that FXS is planning to have Safavids as an Exploration civ.

It has already been noted that both Safavid and Ottomans (the most important rival of the Safavids) are IPs in the Exploration Age. And an Achaemenid-Safavid-Qajar progression for Iran sounds decent.

(The problem might be that 1. how to design Safavids and Qajars differently in terms of gameplay 2. if Ottomans are in the 2nd Age, then what would be the Anatolian civ in the 3rd Age, if there would be any?)

Please no. I need my Sassanids in the Exploration Age.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Dai Viet - Civ6's Vietnam was quite innovative, and I enjoyed playing them... but we've got a lot of SEA representation already, so I'm curious to see how they differentiate them from their peers.

Just throwing some ideas here - Giao Súng or Vietnamese Arquebusier would be a nice UU for Dai Viet. Even the standing arquebusier establishment of Ming (the famous Divine Engine Division) was initially drawn from the Vietnamese population, who seemed to have better firearm techniques than the Chinese at the time.

Although for a Dai Viet UI or UB, I expect something more interesting. Thành in Civ 6 offers very unique gameplay, but I don't feel that "walled cities" are representative of the Vietnamese culture.

 

[The Fanatical]

On the one hand I’m glad that the DLC contents have been revealed before release.

On the other, I feel bad for Sar and all those careful marketing plans!



I don’t think they’re being that pedantic with the names, and besides the 1800 Acts of Union were about the annexation of Ireland, something I can see Firaxis avoiding.

People need to know what are they paying $130 for. The DLC content should have been revealed before the main release anyway.

 

[Leucarum]

Just throwing some ideas here - Giao Súng or Vietnamese Arquebusier would be a nice UU for Dai Viet. Even the standing arquebusier establishment of Ming (the famous Divine Engine Division) was initially drawn from the Vietnamese population, who seemed to have better firearm techniques than the Chinese at the time.

Although for a Dai Viet UI or UB, I expect something more interesting. Thành in Civ 6 offers very unique gameplay, but I don't feel that "walled cities" are representative of the Vietnamese culture.

That would make sense, pushing them towards exploration? I really enjoyed the gameplay of the Thanh, but it's fair to say that walls aren't exactly emblematic...

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Just a note but 8housesofelixir brought up the fact that Ibn Battuta was a judge earlier in the discussion about him and was indeed called upon to decide on important matters in the Islam-following states he visited. Very much a strong political figure more in the camp with Franklin than Mrs. Lovelace.


Yeah, though they are not horribly wrong given that the entire pack will release within a month of the game's launch. It's not day 1 but most players won't even have finished a single game before that set of civs becomes available for additional purchase. Compared to all the later stuff that will be slowly developed and released piece by piece.

by that logic, Ada Lovelace was a english noble and is about as political by nature as some of the others. keep in mind that some of these figures have pasts that have nothing to do with their notable accomplishments and actions (like ibn battuta, ben franklin)

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Just throwing some ideas here - Giao Súng or Vietnamese Arquebusier would be a nice UU for Dai Viet. Even the standing arquebusier establishment of Ming (the famous Divine Engine Division) was initially drawn from the Vietnamese population, who seemed to have better firearm techniques than the Chinese at the time.

Although for a Dai Viet UI or UB, I expect something more interesting. Thành in Civ 6 offers very unique gameplay, but I don't feel that "walled cities" are representative of the Vietnamese culture.

it’s nice that we’ll have a full continental SE Asia pipeline now—khmer to dai viet to siam

 

[Krikkit1]

People need to know what are they paying $130 for. The DLC content should have been revealed before the main release anyway.

I’m sure they’re planning on revealing it today anyways

 

[marius_kaparius]

From the Polygon article I noticed that some of the Natural Wonders are Peaks from the Civs listed. Could it be that they are considered the associated wonder instead of a built wonder? Machapuchare (Nepal), Vihren (Bulgaria)? We'd still be stuck without an in-game wonder for Carthage though.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

From the Polygon article I noticed that some of the Natural Wonders are Peaks from the Civs listed. Could it be that they are considered the associated wonder instead of a built wonder? Machapuchare (Nepal), Vihren (Bulgaria)? We'd still be stuck without an in-game wonder for Carthage though.

would be very bizarre if true

 

[Leucarum]

it’s nice that we’ll have a full continental SE Asia pipeline now—khmer to dai viet to siam

It's nice, but also frustrating when a single region within a continent gets as much support as the entire continent of Africa... I'm all for making civ less eurocentric, but I'd like to see the love spread more evenly!

 

[pokiehl]

From the Polygon article I noticed that some of the Natural Wonders are Peaks from the Civs listed. Could it be that they are considered the associated wonder instead of a built wonder? Machapuchare (Nepal), Vihren (Bulgaria)? We'd still be stuck without an in-game wonder for Carthage though.

That doesn’t really make much sense.

I think it’s natural that some of the content from the dlc thematically aligns with the added civs. That’s how they tend to always do it.

 

[Xandinho]

From the Polygon article I noticed that some of the Natural Wonders are Peaks from the Civs listed. Could it be that they are considered the associated wonder instead of a built wonder? Machapuchare (Nepal), Vihren (Bulgaria)? We'd still be stuck without an in-game wonder for Carthage though.

I think it's unlikely. I think the point of having an associated buildable wonder comes from an attempt to create a greater identification with the playable civ to compensate for some of the immersion lost with the transition of civs.

 

[ehecatzin]

Bolívar is also surprising as I thought we’d filled our 18th/19th century revolutionary roster for the initial set of releases!

I was resigned to the idea that Bolivar's shadow is so large that there wouldn't be a space for another latin american leader to make it in before him, having Mexico instead of Colombia on release gave me some hope but it's clear that we'll have to wait for, who knows how many expansions to see more leader variety in latin america.

But,

looking at the bright side, at least all of the Bolivar flavour can be restricted to the leader, I really didn't like civs in civ VI that were all about the leader, like Macedon, Colombia and Sumer. Maybe he could get a special casus belli to force civs to release cities as IP that have an influence boost for Bolivar.

It would be the absolute nightmare of peaceful diplo civs that grow by annexing IP...and there comes Bolivar and his army to snatch it all.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I think it's unlikely. I think the point of having an associated buildable wonder comes from an attempt to create a greater identification with the playable civ to compensate for some of the immersion lost with the transition of civs.

the real reason they specified natural wonders is specifically for a reason i mentioned in the speculation threat—they’re prob introducing associated wonders for each of these civs within the dlc

 

[notNamed]

Although for a Dai Viet UI or UB, I expect something more interesting. Thành in Civ 6 offers very unique gameplay, but I don't feel that "walled cities" are representative of the Vietnamese culture.

The skeptic in me says they'll just go with the simplest design possible. Water puppet theatre building, One Pillar Pagoda wonder. Maybe throw in those cannon galleys to complement the gun or elephant unit.

As far as culture goes... which culture? They named it Dai Viet, which is sadly only a little more descriptive than my personal favorite, "Ancient China". So they can base it on a fairly wide selection of periods and states, mix and match across random centuries, or just go with the modern stereotypes. Without selecting a period like with others (Han, Ming, Silla, Meiji) so you can have Tang cavalry and Portuguese culverins side by side and it still fits the Exploration period Dai Viet, ditto for events and policies to draw on for names and bonuses.