Poor dog mauls boy, please don't kill it :(

[Formaldehyde]

Prove it.

You mean like the article I posted from a reputable authority on the subject?

And what have your provided to "prove" you must be right? That is other than the usual trolls and the mistaken belief that your own country still bans them? But go right ahead. Give it your best shot.

 

[Borachio]

I have read that the pitbull is not really such a dangerous breed to own and that the problem lies more with the owners than with the dogs.

Well, of course.

But so very many people have little idea about dogs. Too many people keep them cooped up in a house all day, often alone. This does suit a greyhound quite well - as they like to laze around a great deal - but it doesn't suit almost any other dog.

Even my sister's little dog, and it is extremely little (a bichon poodle cross), likes to walk more than six miles a day.

And pitbulls have been bred for fighting. Not really any other purpose to them, imo.

At least with a bull terrier you could herd cattle.

I'm always amazed that people so often take what is a working dog and expect it to settle down to a life of indolence. I'm even surprised how seldom, relatively speaking, it turns out badly.

 

[H4run]

Well, of course.

But so very many people have little idea about dogs. Too many people keep them cooped up in a house all day, often alone. This does suit a greyhound quite well - as they like to laze around a great deal - but it doesn't suit almost any other dog.

Even my sister's little dog, and it is extremely little (a bichon poodle cross), likes to walk more than six miles a day.

you said this dogs become aggressive because they are kind like stress because the owner doesn't walk them enough? so they need somekind of catharsis and they release it by being aggressive? that's interesting. But are you saying that as a cause of Pitbull attack on general or only for this case?

 

[Bulldog Bats]

Should we separate pitbulls from other domestic dogs (never mind when you say pit bulls you are talking about a number of different breeds who are grouped together)? No. Any dog, if not trained, can be dangerous. I could name a lot of breeds who are similarly strong, but talking down pitties is just so PC.

Should all owners train their dogs? Yes. Should they be responsible when they fail to do so and the dog injures someone? Yes.

 

[H4run]

if the rates of attack that done by Pitbull are far larger than the domestic dogs, at least in media I don't know the statistic, even most of the dog attack human are cause by Pitbull, isn't that mean that Pitbull more aggressive than the regular domestic dog? but that also doesn't mean they are pest or bad, but they just need a wise hand to taking care of them.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Again, it is only because of some dog owners who bought them to either fight or protect their property which is frequently drugs.

 

[Borachio]

you said this dogs become aggressive because they are kind like stress because the owner doesn't walk them enough? so they need somekind of catharsis and they release it by being aggressive? that's interesting. But are you saying that as a cause of Pitbull attack on general or only for this case?

No. I'm saying it's possible that dogs, any dogs, which are shut up alone all day long can go a little bonkers. Just like people really.

I've no idea whether this is true in this particular case.

 

[H4run]

then if it apply to every dog not only Pitbull why the Pitbull get more media attention on attacking peoples? So there must be another aspect that make them more than any regular dogs. This coming from someone who never own dog, actually my family own a dog before but I was too little to remember. When I see Pitbull in the street, I see them like I seeing Doberman or other special dogs.

 

[Borachio]

They've been bred for fighting. Why wouldn't they tend to be more aggressive?

And in my experience they tend to carry less fat, and be more lean (obviously), than other dogs.

People who do a lot of weight-training and body (let's say) sculpting, tend to be more short-tempered than those carrying more fat, I've heard. (The story may, of course, be apocryphal.)

So why wouldn't the same apply to dogs?

Which isn't to say that pitbulls can't make good family pets just like any other dog. They're still pack animals and can be, and need to be, socialized properly.

 

[Formaldehyde]

If the same number of people who intentionally mistreat dogs to make them vicious bought Dobermans instead, (or collies, German shepherds, and a number of other breeds for that matter) you would see the same thing.

 

[Bulldog Bats]

Pitbulls ARE a domestic breed of dog - no different than any other. Yes, they are strong, and have strong jaws, so if they bite, it will likely cause more damage than a smaller dog. But they are dogs no different than any other. If they are trained to bite, they will. If not, they are just a dog.

Heck, bulldogs have jaws that lock when they bite, and are stronger than most breeds - but no one talks about them because of how they look.

Out of the top ten list of biting dogs, you will find Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, and Cocker Spaniels. Do you want to ban them as well? Of course not - they are cute. Chihuahuas bite, but because they can be slapped around by a cat, the bites are not reported.

 

[H4run]

@Borachio: now I remember seeing the Pitbull fight scene in the movie amores perros, I really don't know how to answer your question, but you seem to refer it is the way they bred and train as a fighting dogs that make them short temper.

However I think most Pitbull who attack the owner been raise as a normal pet dog and this very reason is the one who made the owner of the dog doesn't expect the aggressive behaviour coming from them. Well maybe..

 

[Formaldehyde]

Pitbulls ARE a domestic breed of dog - no different than any other...

It is as though many people don't understand what the word "domesticated" actually means.

Pit bulls can be loving pets just like any dog. Or they can be specifically trained to be attack dogs. It is completely up to the owner.

 

[Borachio]

Well, horses are domesticated. But I wouldn't want to keep one in the house.

I knew a woman kept a horse in the garage, though.

 

[H4run]

Pitbulls ARE a domestic breed of dog - no different than any other. Yes, they are strong, and have strong jaws, so if they bite, it will likely cause more damage than a smaller dog. But they are dogs no different than any other. If they are trained to bite, they will. If not, they are just a dog.

Isn't that exactly the reason that make this dogs different than other dogs? Say if other dogs get annoy and bite the kids, it will leave a scar. But if Pitbull get annoy and bite the kids, it will deliver the kids to hospital and the Pitbull being shot to death for the things that also not their fault. Isn't it better if we know what the dog can possibly do and keep away potential accident that may happen?

Heck, bulldogs have jaws that lock when they bite, and are stronger than most breeds - but no one talks about them because of how they look.

I don't think so, if bulldog attack as frequent as Pitbull peoples might treat it the same or worst, are you consider peoples have a pre-sentiment toward Pitbull?

Out of the top ten list of biting dogs, you will find Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, and Cocker Spaniels. Do you want to ban them as well? Of course not - they are cute. Chihuahuas bite, but because they can be slapped around by a cat, the bites are not reported.

Chihuahuas is a small dogs, indeed it is aggressive, I knew them. However they can't rip off children face. And I'm not talking about banning Pitbull or something, but I think it is better to set a regulation to owning special pet like Pitbull. Think about the possibility of future attack that might not only result many peoples get harm, also many Pitbull get shot for something that is not their fault in the first place.

 

[Yeekim]

I can be agree with you if we are talking about who possibly wrong in this, however if we talking "who should be punish regarding this" there must be law as a reference whether this or that person guilty or not (regarding which law) and in reference to the law that was mention what the suppose punishment that the man get.

Apparently we are in an agreement. Sorry, I couldn't quite follow you at first,

Pit bulls can be loving pets just like any dog. Or they can be specifically trained to be attack dogs. It is completely up to the owner.

Indeed.
But being strong and powerful, they are also eminently more dangerous. A dog doesn't need to be mistreated or specifically trained to be a vicious killer to defend his food bowl against real or perceived threats. It is rather a naturally occurring behaviour that must be suppressed by proper education.

If a chihuahua owner neglects doing so, we can solve the problem with a flyswatter. If a pitbull owner does so... well, it is a tragedy waiting to happen.

 

[Farm Boy]

Strength of bite is exactly on-topic with regard to how safe/dangerous a breed of animal is, no? Temperament doesn't really matter in this regard. One breed is more dangerous than another. A pitbull is to little yipper as a .22 is to an AK-47. We can debate about training and responsible ownership, and those debates are well founded and important, but the danger posed by misuse and mistreatment and/or mistraining or mishandling of one(even unintentional by a child) is not equal to the danger posed by the other.

 

[Formaldehyde]

If a chihuahua owner neglects doing so, we can solve the problem with a flyswatter. If a pitbull owner does so... well, it is a tragedy waiting to happen.

I think we agree the real problem is with bad dog owners.

And the solution seems quite simple. Make pet owners criminally responsible for any violent act just as though they did it themselves.

 

[Yeekim]

I think we agree the real problem is with bad dog owners.

And the solution seems quite simple. Make pet owners criminally responsible for any violent act just as though they did it themselves.

Sounds sensible.

 

[Quackers]

Eh? None of that is happening here, you're making stuff up.

I see people showing compassion for an animal, I don't see anyone comparing the dog's life to the child's directly.

Bollocks.
The 40,000 morons who signed the petition are showing where their values lie. It is more important that this one dog lives than the future safety of the people that this dog is around.

That is a moral judgement which is wrong.