Pre-ChaNES: Into the Void
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Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
If Symphony were here, he'd rip that statement to shreds. Him not being here, I'll settle for an eyeroll.
North King
blech
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An interesting method for the SF or IC to run would be for colonies (plus Earth peoples) to elect people to the office. That is, to have an actual election, where players could stand for the office.
TerrisH
Mischief?
If Symphony were here, he'd rip that statement to shreds. Him not being here, I'll settle for an eyeroll.
the dose not make it less true. one player or nation dose not make the game. removal of the solar federation would not break the game.
yhea, I see it fragmenting to iggy.
Wishful thinking never dies.
TerrisH
Mischief?
how so, even in my most pesemistic outcome to such an outcome, the devistation of the solar system and current SF space, I still see the game being able to go on. again, one player/nation dose not make a game.
You're absolutely right, the game could theoretically go on, but the suspension of a semblance of reality and sanity would hardly merit calling what existed after the SF arbitrarily collapsed a "game".
TerrisH
Mischief?
I never said it would arbitrarily collapse. if it were needed to be removed, of course a reason would have to be developed. ecnomic hardship, or a political mishap cascading out of control could easly be it. or several more reasons. I'm just saying you shouldn't rule it out as a possibility.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
You're saying this about the most powerful, stable entity in the galaxy. It's really rather unlikely.
TerrisH
Mischief?
I agree on the most powerful, I disagree on the most Stable. a small change in the policy or a few outrages between it's member nation of the course of a decade or two, it could collapse as easily as China or the IC could. None of the three are going to fall without a major disruption, internal or externally, over the course of at least a decade. but it's not impossible, nor improbable for it to happen.
though I will stop after the this, or you guys refute this, as were drifting off target. expect no reply.
though I will stop after the this, or you guys refute this, as were drifting off target. expect no reply.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Now, this is a question from an inexperienced, unaware lurking entity, but can't you just have the Federation NPC'd?
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Pfft. No one but me effectively tried to disrupt the SF, and we saw how that went.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Terrish, Symphony devastated your unlogic multiple times. This is another example of it.
I would argue that the IC is more stable than the SF, and that the PRC is even moreso, but I'd agree with your 'most powerful' label.
Chandrasekhar
Determined
Sorry to leave you all hanging for so long, but I haven't been certain about what to do with this, myself. Pre-ChaNES has been an interesting game in its own right so far, but I don't think that can continue. Some interesting stuff was set to happen during the coming update, but after that, everything looks to be heading inevitably for stagnation. I expected that the colonization front and the situation on Earth would settle down after awhile, and that's why I had the BT turns set up, but I don't think that can solve it.
On Earth, the Solar Federation was going to absorb the PRC. There were some plans in the works that would've made that go less than smoothly, but it was still going to happen. The Interstellar Commonwealth didn't look to be assimilated anytime soon, but its military and political strength in Sol were weak and getting weaker by the year. The Solar Federation had consolidated itself to the point where it could get away with pretty much anything. A sudden collapse was out of the question.
Meanwhile, each colony was developing along its own path. Just about every player-controlled colony was doing something interesting on one level or another, but interaction between the colonies was pretty limited, and the developments weren't really notable on a five to ten year scale, let alone the yearly scale I was intending for the main NES. A NES can only go so far on internal affairs alone. The ASTRIS, Commonwealth, and PRC colonies provided an interesting contrast, but they didn't really have the power to do anything to each other aside from boring trade agreement stuff.
Even if we went through hundreds of years of BTs to make each colony's population and industry comparable to Earth's, I don't think that much would change. There's no real incentive for the planets to war with each other, and without that threat, most of the game's diplomacy would be pretty boring.
So, I believe that ChaNES has an interesting setting, but not much potential for a NES. I want to use what we've created here somehow, but I don't think it will be in a NES. The premise wasn't feasible in the first place. A "realistic" interstellar setting, even if faster than light travel is somehow possible, just doesn't lend itself to the NESing experience.
On Earth, the Solar Federation was going to absorb the PRC. There were some plans in the works that would've made that go less than smoothly, but it was still going to happen. The Interstellar Commonwealth didn't look to be assimilated anytime soon, but its military and political strength in Sol were weak and getting weaker by the year. The Solar Federation had consolidated itself to the point where it could get away with pretty much anything. A sudden collapse was out of the question.
Meanwhile, each colony was developing along its own path. Just about every player-controlled colony was doing something interesting on one level or another, but interaction between the colonies was pretty limited, and the developments weren't really notable on a five to ten year scale, let alone the yearly scale I was intending for the main NES. A NES can only go so far on internal affairs alone. The ASTRIS, Commonwealth, and PRC colonies provided an interesting contrast, but they didn't really have the power to do anything to each other aside from boring trade agreement stuff.
Even if we went through hundreds of years of BTs to make each colony's population and industry comparable to Earth's, I don't think that much would change. There's no real incentive for the planets to war with each other, and without that threat, most of the game's diplomacy would be pretty boring.
So, I believe that ChaNES has an interesting setting, but not much potential for a NES. I want to use what we've created here somehow, but I don't think it will be in a NES. The premise wasn't feasible in the first place. A "realistic" interstellar setting, even if faster than light travel is somehow possible, just doesn't lend itself to the NESing experience.
TerrisH
Mischief?
Chad, how good is the SF's orbital defenses around earth? would a small but heavy porjectile traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light be able to get through it and hit the earth. (assume it's launched from somewhere out past pluto).
even if it can't go to the actual NES, post the last update so we can see what happened.
even if it can't go to the actual NES, post the last update so we can see what happened.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
lurker's comment: Frankly I don't see why the NES can't be continued with only the Solar Federation following a dodgy and haphazardly absorption of all other sentient entities in the universe. But keeping in NES tradition it would only have one player. Some might call that a "one-man show" or "ridiculous because how can one have a NES with only one player" but they are victims of unlogic, plainly.
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