Pre-CNES: Flowers on the Working Title
- Thread starter Crezth
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So I could place forests in a jungle and forests in a tundra?
Or is a jungle by default lacking trees, so I have to make it a jungle with the forest feature?Thanks! I hope it looks plausible continentally as well- I have a few places where coastlines fit into each other.
I have no formal training in this particular kind of thing, but I've researched a good deal and applied what I understand from the earth to this.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
So I could place forests in a jungle and forests in a tundra?
Forests can be in a tundra, but not a jungle. Jungle must be featureless. Jungles are always treeful, but jungles, not forests.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I am willing and able to accept the role of Cultural Commissar, both for the initial phase of hashing out broad culture-groups and the secondary phase of chipping individual national factions from the larger culture blocs.
Comparison of ZPNESV and CNES, Contrasting Total Territories, Landlocked Territories and Islands
ZPNESV North America: 14 territories (2 landlocked, 1 island)
ZPNESV South America: 7 Territories (1 landlocked, 0 islands)
ZPNESV Africa: 9 Territories (0 landlocked, 1 island)
ZPNESV Europe: 10 Territories (0 landlocked, 2 islands)
ZPNESV Asia: 19 Territories (5 landlocked, 1 island)
ZPNESV Oceania: 10 Territories (8 island)
ZPNES Total: 69 Territories, including 8 landlocked territories and 13 islands.
CNES West: 25 Territories (2 landlocked, 2 island)
CNES North: 16 Territories (2 landlocked, 1 island)
CNES South: 26 Territories (6 landlocked, 1 island)
CNES East: 5 Territories (0 landlocked, 1)
CNES Archipelago: 5 Territories (0 landlocked, 5 island)
14:44 Luckymoose Dido is like
14:44 Luckymoose let me dance naked for you
14:44 Luckymoose so I was like
14:44 Luckymoose open borders it is
CNES Total: 77 Territories, including 10 landlocked territories and 10 islands.
Note: I will be upsizing the areas I have decided to call continental islands (the Britains, Japans, Cubas and Madagascars etcetera), and potentially adding some mid-ocean island territories, as Daft had in Flowers on the Razor Wire.
Note2: How did that get in there. >_>
Note3: I too will be happy to vet cultural proposals.
ZPNESV North America: 14 territories (2 landlocked, 1 island)
ZPNESV South America: 7 Territories (1 landlocked, 0 islands)
ZPNESV Africa: 9 Territories (0 landlocked, 1 island)
ZPNESV Europe: 10 Territories (0 landlocked, 2 islands)
ZPNESV Asia: 19 Territories (5 landlocked, 1 island)
ZPNESV Oceania: 10 Territories (8 island)
ZPNES Total: 69 Territories, including 8 landlocked territories and 13 islands.
CNES West: 25 Territories (2 landlocked, 2 island)
CNES North: 16 Territories (2 landlocked, 1 island)
CNES South: 26 Territories (6 landlocked, 1 island)
CNES East: 5 Territories (0 landlocked, 1)
CNES Archipelago: 5 Territories (0 landlocked, 5 island)
14:44 Luckymoose Dido is like
14:44 Luckymoose let me dance naked for you
14:44 Luckymoose so I was like
14:44 Luckymoose open borders it is
CNES Total: 77 Territories, including 10 landlocked territories and 10 islands.
Note: I will be upsizing the areas I have decided to call continental islands (the Britains, Japans, Cubas and Madagascars etcetera), and potentially adding some mid-ocean island territories, as Daft had in Flowers on the Razor Wire.
Note2: How did that get in there. >_>
Note3: I too will be happy to vet cultural proposals.
Kraznaya
Princeps
Why do we need someone to vet cultural proposals when players will likely want to play a culture of their own invention?
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Tundra, by definition, does not have forests.
you sneaky sneak
People will be submitting and probably playing cultures of their own invention. The, erm, commissar is there to hash together the essential history and the specific cultural characteristics of each region. This will be used to determine where are heavily developed areas, where are undeveloped areas, and to suggest a sense of cultural continuity within regions.
Kraznaya
Princeps
oh i didn't realize this was so srs bsns ;;
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Well it's 75% for my own edification. The cultural continuity is more of a suggestion than anything else. >_>
Kraznaya
Princeps
tt there go my uberdraka
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Imo, something along the lines of Daftpanzer's OTHER great NES, Throne of Destiny, would be a goal to shoot for. Broad pseudo-interpretations or admixtures of cultures that resemble one or some of Earth's own cultures. So you can have not-Arabs or not-Plains Indians in the deserty areas, and so on and so forth.
Spoiler :
I've fixed up a few things, such as the ocean circulation being backwards in the arctic (props to ChiefDesigner there
), and altered the climate to correspond. I enlarged several islands, and it seems that the number of territories in the archipelago region will be six instead of five.I've established each territory as either desert, tropical, temperate, or tundra, based on the predominate climate of each area. Some of the tundra might have trees on it, and still be coloured in as 'boreal'.
Next goals are to establish naval territories and display whether regions are hilly, mountainous, forested or null. Then the map's done, and I can go update my own NES.
Spoiler Biomes and Terrain :
Spoiler Territories :
Default|N/A| Yellow | Orange | White
Forest| Dark Green |N/A| Light Green | Turquoise
Mountains are represented by the brown, mountain-shaped sprite, Hills are represented by the green, hill-shaped sprite. Here you go Crezth, pending any major concerns/urges to tweak this is the final draft. Ball's in your court now.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Thanks for all the hard work, Iggy. I am thankful.
The tech system rules and the cultural submission templates/information is coming out tonight. I know I said that same thing a few days ago, but it's only because I was unhappy with the system I developed and wanted to scrap it and remake it.
Naval combat stuff, including units, is also in the works, but I wouldn't expect any info on them tonight.
The tech system rules and the cultural submission templates/information is coming out tonight. I know I said that same thing a few days ago, but it's only because I was unhappy with the system I developed and wanted to scrap it and remake it.
Naval combat stuff, including units, is also in the works, but I wouldn't expect any info on them tonight.
bestrfcplayer
Steppin' up!
I'll be in this. Not sure how much help I'll be for the preNES set up, but I could lend a hand if needed.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Technology Rules
Technology is obtained through use of another resource called research points. Like $, they are obtained through income, but unlike $, they cannot be banked. Research points must be spent the turn they are earned or they are lost. They also cannot be traded to other nations. Research points are only used to research new technologies, which can provide many benefits to your nation.
Every Capital, by default, earns 5 research points for your nation per turn. If you lose your Capital, any research that you would have done that turn is cancelled, so be careful to guard your Capital. You can increase the number of research points you earn in a turn through two methods primarily.
You may build the research lab improvement in any urbanized, mountain, or jungle province. These labs provide +1 research points per turn and cost $8 to build. If a research lab is captured, the capturer gets half as many research points as the lab has produced since it was built or since it was last captured as plunder, rounded down.
You may also adopt certain policies that can improve research point generation.
Researching a technology is as simple as spending research points with the intent of obtaining a technology. To do so, merely order the allotment of research points and the target technology. Make sure you have the proper prerequisites! By default, all nations start with no technologies. Every technology costs 5 research points. Once you have invested 5 research points into the research of a technology, you are considered to have researched that technology.
There are 6 categories of technology. These categories are mainly for classification purposes, although certain abilities may affect them. They, and their representative colors (but don’t worry about those right now), are:
1. Infantry (Green)
2. Armor/Artillery (Red)
3. Aerospace (Blue)
4. Industry (Gray)
5. Science (Orange)
6. Policy (Yellow)
Category 6 Technologies (or Policy technologies) cannot be researched if another Policy technology of the same tech level has already been researched.
There will be (at least) 5 tech levels in this NES. You may only research technologies whose prerequisites you’ve unlocked. Tech levels are mostly a classification but can be affected by other rules (such as with Policy technology).
To unlock the next tech level, you must research at least ten technologies in the previous tech level. Note that prerequisites may carry over between tech levels.
Not all techs in a tech level may be visible from the start. You may need to research prerequisites before subsequent techs can be visible.
You may “trade” technologies, but only to a certain extent. This act of “trading” is actually granting a limited number of research points towards the completion of the tech in question to a rival faction. Spillover will be considered wasted research points. Different category technologies may be traded with different efficiency. Refer to this chart:
1. Infantry: May grant up to 3 research points.
2. Armor/Artillery: May grant up to 2 research points.
3. Aerospace: May grant up to 1 research points.
4. Industry: May grant up to 3 research points.
5. Science: May grant up to 2 research points.
6. Policy: Can not be traded.
Technology is obtained through use of another resource called research points. Like $, they are obtained through income, but unlike $, they cannot be banked. Research points must be spent the turn they are earned or they are lost. They also cannot be traded to other nations. Research points are only used to research new technologies, which can provide many benefits to your nation.
Every Capital, by default, earns 5 research points for your nation per turn. If you lose your Capital, any research that you would have done that turn is cancelled, so be careful to guard your Capital. You can increase the number of research points you earn in a turn through two methods primarily.
You may build the research lab improvement in any urbanized, mountain, or jungle province. These labs provide +1 research points per turn and cost $8 to build. If a research lab is captured, the capturer gets half as many research points as the lab has produced since it was built or since it was last captured as plunder, rounded down.
You may also adopt certain policies that can improve research point generation.
Researching a technology is as simple as spending research points with the intent of obtaining a technology. To do so, merely order the allotment of research points and the target technology. Make sure you have the proper prerequisites! By default, all nations start with no technologies. Every technology costs 5 research points. Once you have invested 5 research points into the research of a technology, you are considered to have researched that technology.
There are 6 categories of technology. These categories are mainly for classification purposes, although certain abilities may affect them. They, and their representative colors (but don’t worry about those right now), are:
1. Infantry (Green)
2. Armor/Artillery (Red)
3. Aerospace (Blue)
4. Industry (Gray)
5. Science (Orange)
6. Policy (Yellow)
Category 6 Technologies (or Policy technologies) cannot be researched if another Policy technology of the same tech level has already been researched.
There will be (at least) 5 tech levels in this NES. You may only research technologies whose prerequisites you’ve unlocked. Tech levels are mostly a classification but can be affected by other rules (such as with Policy technology).
To unlock the next tech level, you must research at least ten technologies in the previous tech level. Note that prerequisites may carry over between tech levels.
Not all techs in a tech level may be visible from the start. You may need to research prerequisites before subsequent techs can be visible.
You may “trade” technologies, but only to a certain extent. This act of “trading” is actually granting a limited number of research points towards the completion of the tech in question to a rival faction. Spillover will be considered wasted research points. Different category technologies may be traded with different efficiency. Refer to this chart:
1. Infantry: May grant up to 3 research points.
2. Armor/Artillery: May grant up to 2 research points.
3. Aerospace: May grant up to 1 research points.
4. Industry: May grant up to 3 research points.
5. Science: May grant up to 2 research points.
6. Policy: Can not be traded.
Spoiler Tech Level 1 :
Omega124
Challenging Fate
Syndicalism+Manpower Doctrine+Mass Urbanization=Massive infantry army of rape.
Anyways, can we have a tech tree in picture form? Would be easier to visualize the prerequisites
Anyways, can we have a tech tree in picture form? Would be easier to visualize the prerequisites
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