talonschild
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Not to worry - I'm a long way from such a journey. It was just a thought that occurred to me. I figure you'll manage to think of a way to adjudicate that.
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momo1000
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Name: Titus Lucretius Longus
Personal History: His father was a famous senator and was the governor of Provence for a long time, and so Titus' family lived in that region for most of his life. Known for his wits and intelligence, T. Lucretius Longus began managing his family's estate while his father was in Rome since he was 12. A star with numbers and figures, he was renowned in Provence for his skill in mathematics. During the Proscriptions, his father was killed in Rome. Because they lived in Provence, the rest of the family was spared. Now after the Proscriptions, Titus Lucretius Longus has gone to Rome to fill his father's empty Senate seat.
Personal History: His father was a famous senator and was the governor of Provence for a long time, and so Titus' family lived in that region for most of his life. Known for his wits and intelligence, T. Lucretius Longus began managing his family's estate while his father was in Rome since he was 12. A star with numbers and figures, he was renowned in Provence for his skill in mathematics. During the Proscriptions, his father was killed in Rome. Because they lived in Provence, the rest of the family was spared. Now after the Proscriptions, Titus Lucretius Longus has gone to Rome to fill his father's empty Senate seat.
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
Hey, not bad - ten interested parties already! How many are we shooting for?
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Titus Lucretius Longus gets +100000 Management for being involved in my chosen field. 
Just for the record, (and because I've just thought of this) some traits will have 'hidden' benefits that don't appear in the stats and will only come up in certain situations. Mathematician is one of them. Be aware.
I'm aiming for maybe 15 - 20, though I'm not going to complain if we have more.
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Spoiler Titus Lucretius Longus' stats :
Just for the record, (and because I've just thought of this) some traits will have 'hidden' benefits that don't appear in the stats and will only come up in certain situations. Mathematician is one of them. Be aware.
I'm aiming for maybe 15 - 20, though I'm not going to complain if we have more.
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
I really hope drunken partyboy has hidden benefits, too...
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
OOC: Why do you have the Senate recruit a Legion only in Rome? The Legions no longer recruit within Italia at this point in history, shifting instead to Iberia.
Name: Marcus Titus Scipio
Personal History: The family was an old and proud family, the Great General Scipio Africanus defeated the Carthaginian Hannibal and since then his family has served proudly in the Legions. First as Tribunes then as Generals. Marcus was raised by both his father and grandfather in the military tradition of the Scipios, and from an early age it was apparent to both that their heir has the skills and mind for war.
During Sulla's rise, Marcus's father served in his Legions, but when it became apparent that Sulla was growing power hungry and turned against the Senate, his father took his Legion and fought against Sulla, sadly, he lost and his Legion was absorbed into Sulla's army. Before Sulla's henchmen could march to Marcus's villa his Grandfather and mother both sent young Marcus to Greece, under the tutelage of an elderly man known simply as Theosus the Teacher. Under Theosus Marcus learned the ways of administration and finances, learning that his father wanted his son to command a Province, not simply lead an army. It was here Marcus learned of the fate of his Grandfather, mother and two sisters at the hands of Sulla's butchers. It is something Marcus carries with him to this day.
Today he returns to Rome after Sulla's death, it seems in Sulla's arrogance he did not get rid of his seat on the Senate and he arrives to claim it. He returns to his old Villa, still standing as a testament to Roman Engineers, though a bit burnt and scarred. The land his estate sits on is one of the wealthiest around Rome and came as a shock that Sulla did not claim it himself or pass it on to an ally. Now it is dead and burnt, but with time and care it will regrow and bring prosperity back to the Scipio family. As Marcus gazes around his villa, he suddenly realized how alone he was at 20, no wife, no child and no command. He turned to his slaves and began issuing orders. He now heads to Rome, his face showing a firm determination.
EDIT: OOC: For those following my own NES, sorry to say but that with this I have placed mine on hold until this one ends. I do not think having 2 similar NESes will work as it will cause one or both to fail.
Name: Marcus Titus Scipio
Personal History: The family was an old and proud family, the Great General Scipio Africanus defeated the Carthaginian Hannibal and since then his family has served proudly in the Legions. First as Tribunes then as Generals. Marcus was raised by both his father and grandfather in the military tradition of the Scipios, and from an early age it was apparent to both that their heir has the skills and mind for war.
During Sulla's rise, Marcus's father served in his Legions, but when it became apparent that Sulla was growing power hungry and turned against the Senate, his father took his Legion and fought against Sulla, sadly, he lost and his Legion was absorbed into Sulla's army. Before Sulla's henchmen could march to Marcus's villa his Grandfather and mother both sent young Marcus to Greece, under the tutelage of an elderly man known simply as Theosus the Teacher. Under Theosus Marcus learned the ways of administration and finances, learning that his father wanted his son to command a Province, not simply lead an army. It was here Marcus learned of the fate of his Grandfather, mother and two sisters at the hands of Sulla's butchers. It is something Marcus carries with him to this day.
Today he returns to Rome after Sulla's death, it seems in Sulla's arrogance he did not get rid of his seat on the Senate and he arrives to claim it. He returns to his old Villa, still standing as a testament to Roman Engineers, though a bit burnt and scarred. The land his estate sits on is one of the wealthiest around Rome and came as a shock that Sulla did not claim it himself or pass it on to an ally. Now it is dead and burnt, but with time and care it will regrow and bring prosperity back to the Scipio family. As Marcus gazes around his villa, he suddenly realized how alone he was at 20, no wife, no child and no command. He turned to his slaves and began issuing orders. He now heads to Rome, his face showing a firm determination.
EDIT: OOC: For those following my own NES, sorry to say but that with this I have placed mine on hold until this one ends. I do not think having 2 similar NESes will work as it will cause one or both to fail.
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
Rufus Amidarus Laconibus
Background: It has been a long time that Rufus came back to Rome. 5 years, in fact. He is, was, a son of a wealthy patrician family until the Sulla's assassins thinly veiled as the quaestor came knocking on his father's doorstep. His father, may the gods bless his heart, had sent Rufus away from Rome so that he could survive the culling. And then his father killed himself, leaving Sulla without anyone to try.
Sulla was not amused.
Rufus would have been killed too- his father underestimated Sulla's resources, if not for the intervention of his relatives. The traitors who refused to help his father was now trying to convince him that Rufus, at least, should be spared. Sulla agreed. Rufus went away from Rome to serve in the military as a mere centurion.
When he returned, he worked as a legal advisory. He was disinherited, thanks to Sulla, and had no other means to support his career. The years spent as a centurion helped. Soldiers, barbarians, plebs, unwashed masses, the magistrates, and the senators could all be intimidated after all. He doggedly-and rather ruthlessly- prosecuted a senator for corruption and murder. He filled that spot in the senate soon after.
Background: It has been a long time that Rufus came back to Rome. 5 years, in fact. He is, was, a son of a wealthy patrician family until the Sulla's assassins thinly veiled as the quaestor came knocking on his father's doorstep. His father, may the gods bless his heart, had sent Rufus away from Rome so that he could survive the culling. And then his father killed himself, leaving Sulla without anyone to try.
Sulla was not amused.
Rufus would have been killed too- his father underestimated Sulla's resources, if not for the intervention of his relatives. The traitors who refused to help his father was now trying to convince him that Rufus, at least, should be spared. Sulla agreed. Rufus went away from Rome to serve in the military as a mere centurion.
When he returned, he worked as a legal advisory. He was disinherited, thanks to Sulla, and had no other means to support his career. The years spent as a centurion helped. Soldiers, barbarians, plebs, unwashed masses, the magistrates, and the senators could all be intimidated after all. He doggedly-and rather ruthlessly- prosecuted a senator for corruption and murder. He filled that spot in the senate soon after.
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
Hmm... iam Marcus et Titus habemus. SamSniped, de cetero Argetius te dixerim. Gratum tibi, Marcus et Rufus.
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talonschild
Drive-By NESer
Another question (sorry I'm so full of them) - are Sicilia, Sardinia, Corsica, and the Baleares attached to any province, or are they provinces in their own right?
And on a related note, would it be at all possible to have the barbarian chiefdoms and Roman provinces named on the map? I know it's a pain to do, but it'd be super, super helpful.
And on a related note, would it be at all possible to have the barbarian chiefdoms and Roman provinces named on the map? I know it's a pain to do, but it'd be super, super helpful.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
@germanicus: sorry to hear about this putting your NES out of business. If it helps any, you can use this as a trial run - I think its scope is a little larger than yours as well, so we can see whether the myriad extra mechanics I've added work.
Also, the Legions aren't exactly recruited from Rome - they're recruited from everywhere in the Republic, but only the Senate itself has the legal power and funds to recruit them.
@talonschild: again, it depends on initial player numbers. Corsica et Sardinia may be folded into another province (likely Italia) or given their own province encompassing those two. The Balaeres will most definitely be part of whatever province includes the Mediterranean coast of Spain. Sicilia will very likely be a separate province, unless we have too few players - it was very important as a source of grain for Rome in this period, and the politics of who holds it and its wealth is non-trivial.
Also, the Legions aren't exactly recruited from Rome - they're recruited from everywhere in the Republic, but only the Senate itself has the legal power and funds to recruit them.
@talonschild: again, it depends on initial player numbers. Corsica et Sardinia may be folded into another province (likely Italia) or given their own province encompassing those two. The Balaeres will most definitely be part of whatever province includes the Mediterranean coast of Spain. Sicilia will very likely be a separate province, unless we have too few players - it was very important as a source of grain for Rome in this period, and the politics of who holds it and its wealth is non-trivial.
Spoiler Marcus Titus Scipio :
Spoiler Rufus Amidarus Laconibus :
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
Damn, I meant him to be a commander with small intrigue bonus XD.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
You're only going to start with 1 point in anything, and possibly a negative if thats your background.
Don't complain, really. Command points are easy to get, intrigue is legitimately harder.
Don't complain, really. Command points are easy to get, intrigue is legitimately harder.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
You can create or fold in provinces with Consular bills, though I'd rather you guys didn't abuse that so that "Everybody gets a province!" I want them to be in short supply, so some people get them and some don't and they can buy and wheedle their way into provinces with votes.
erez87
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Why would I want everyone to have a province
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germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
I have two things I am curious about. After reading and re-reading the rules I am satisfied that once these "things" are answered I will be content.
1: Characters can only command one army? Exactly how many Legions can a Character command?
2: I am disturbed by the fact that "senators" on campaign, otherwise known as Generals, cannot vote in Senate. Yes I understand that they are on campaign and are not in Rome. But there is a reason they appoint Tribunes and sponsor Senators to vote on their behalf. Julius Caesar and Pompey both used above positions to throw their influence around Senate. When there are things that decide the future of Rome, such as a Dictatorship or big law that alters the political landscape of Rome, I just do not see how they could sit back and watch this happen without their input. Though I assume a Senator could refuse a position when he knows a certain bill is coming through so I guess it doesn't really matter.
1: Characters can only command one army? Exactly how many Legions can a Character command?
2: I am disturbed by the fact that "senators" on campaign, otherwise known as Generals, cannot vote in Senate. Yes I understand that they are on campaign and are not in Rome. But there is a reason they appoint Tribunes and sponsor Senators to vote on their behalf. Julius Caesar and Pompey both used above positions to throw their influence around Senate. When there are things that decide the future of Rome, such as a Dictatorship or big law that alters the political landscape of Rome, I just do not see how they could sit back and watch this happen without their input. Though I assume a Senator could refuse a position when he knows a certain bill is coming through so I guess it doesn't really matter.
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
And, likewise, they can vote with their swords if it seems important enough.
If I had to guess about the lack of tribunes, I should think they're not in the game in order to cause a tradeoff between political power and military power. If Generals can still vote, then what incentive have you not to appoint friends to military posts? That would eventually result in a slim majority in the Senate to control the entire army and thus march in and execute the rest. This forces a balance to be set and, I think, will extend the game beyond once forming a majority.
If I had to guess about the lack of tribunes, I should think they're not in the game in order to cause a tradeoff between political power and military power. If Generals can still vote, then what incentive have you not to appoint friends to military posts? That would eventually result in a slim majority in the Senate to control the entire army and thus march in and execute the rest. This forces a balance to be set and, I think, will extend the game beyond once forming a majority.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
1. A senator can command his personal army (which follows him around and is treated as one army) and as many legions as he is assigned or passed onto him. If he leaves forces behind somewhere, he can't command them though (they just sort of hang around where he leaves them and can only defend themselves.)
2. Its to simulate certain things that happened in the last days of the Roman Republic that I kind of want to happen in this NES. Sulla's first dictatorship started when the Senate gave him several legions and sent him on campaign against Mithridates. As soon as he left, Gaius Marius and the optimates in the Senate basically declared him a rebel and started running roughshod over Rome and passing their own bills, because Sulla and his legions couldn't oppose them.
So Sulla finished off the war against Mithridates, marched back to Rome with his legions and killed them all.
Thats the kind of thing I want to have happen in this NES. I want granting Legions to be a big thing that Consuls (and you) have to think about; if you give them to your allies because you trust them, you lose voting power in the Senate, but if you hand them out to your enemies they may turn on you and take advantage of your Legion-less state.
Besides, as a Legion'ed Senator, you have an excellent mechanism for voting against a dictatorship or a big law. Its called marching on Rome.
The threat of it is a pretty good vote-swinger too. If you have a Legion, there is still a lot you can do to influence the Republic. Of course, there's also the oft overlooked assassination mechanic.
Also, a Senator can't refuse a Legion. They can pass it onto someone though. If they don't have a legion, they can declare that they are on or not on campaign at the start of an Orders phase, and they can't declare they are off until the start of the next Orders phase (I should edit that into the orders).
erez87
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So I can go on campaign, but leave the legion with someone else at a certain moment to come to Rome especially to vote?1. A senator can command his personal army (which follows him around and is treated as one army) and as many legions as he is assigned or passed onto him. If he leaves forces behind somewhere, he can't command them though (they just sort of hang around where he leaves them and can only defend themselves.)
2. Its to simulate certain things that happened in the last days of the Roman Republic that I kind of want to happen in this NES. Sulla's first dictatorship started when the Senate gave him several legions and sent him on campaign against Mithridates. As soon as he left, Gaius Marius and the optimates in the Senate basically declared him a rebel and started running roughshod over Rome and passing their own bills, because Sulla and his legions couldn't oppose them.
So Sulla finished off the war against Mithridates, marched back to Rome with his legions and killed them all.
Thats the kind of thing I want to have happen in this NES. I want granting Legions to be a big thing that Consuls (and you) have to think about; if you give them to your allies because you trust them, you lose voting power in the Senate, but if you hand them out to your enemies they may turn on you and take advantage of your Legion-less state.
Besides, as a Legion'ed Senator, you have an excellent mechanism for voting against a dictatorship or a big law. Its called marching on Rome.
Of course, there's also the oft overlooked assassination mechanic.
Also, a Senator can't refuse a Legion. They can pass it onto someone though. If they don't have a legion, they can declare that they are on or not on campaign at the start of an Orders phase, and they can't declare they are off until the start of the next Orders phase (I should edit that into the orders).
Sadly all players are senators, so anyone I trust enough to leave a legion with will vote for my stuff anyway... but it can be done as some crazy show of power and loyalty from allies.
Hmmm... Shouldn't the consuls be the generals? Isn't a consul IS the Roman general of the armies?
talonschild
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So, if they pass off the legion to another, they get to vote again?
